Is QR already on the way to leaving oneworld?
Jan 14, 2016, 3:52 pm
#31
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Would be happy to see QR go. I know there are a lot of love birds on this thread who fly J on QR and good luck to you. Down the back they are awful. Flew QR DOH-DXB return this week in Y. Dreadful joke of a "First Class" lounge in DOH for Emerald's...no hot food and a couple of people came in decided to leave to seek an outside restaurant. Seats on QR have the same or worse pitch than Y on BA's European flights. On board "food" revolting and a meager offering. IFE non-existent, Avios awarded on Y flights pathetic. Due to weird meeting schedule I also flew EK from DXB-DOH the same week and just no comparison. EK miles ahead in every department with only "downside" being that you don't get the fast track DXB-DOH immigration queue at DOH as is only available for QR.
Would be delighted if they left oneworld as I for one won't be flying them again
Would be delighted if they left oneworld as I for one won't be flying them again
Jan 14, 2016, 3:58 pm
#32
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^CX and QR will shortly be terminating their joint venture, which may signify a lack of interest in cooperating there
MH is a bit of a joke at the moment, they might leave oneworld to save on the fees ... but they will be in urgent need of interline feed as their longhaul schedule winds down
Jan 14, 2016, 3:58 pm
#33
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[QUOTE=DYKWIA;26019881]I agree fully... what he came out with was complete bollox.
From what I've read, it would appear that the incident was down to a number of factors (mainly mis-communication/mis-understanding between the crew and ATC). He should have just said "There were lots of factors that contributed to incident, not all of which were Qatar's responsibility. Please await the NTSB report. We will consider any changes recommended by the NTSB".[/QUOTE]
Absolutely - that stance will gain more credibility that attempting to blame others.
From what I've read, it would appear that the incident was down to a number of factors (mainly mis-communication/mis-understanding between the crew and ATC). He should have just said "There were lots of factors that contributed to incident, not all of which were Qatar's responsibility. Please await the NTSB report. We will consider any changes recommended by the NTSB".[/QUOTE]
Absolutely - that stance will gain more credibility that attempting to blame others.
Jan 14, 2016, 4:03 pm
#34
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Okay I think we agree ^
CX and QR will shortly be terminating their joint venture, which may signify a lack of interest in cooperating there.
MH is a bit of a joke at the moment, they might leave oneworld to save on the fees ... but they will be in urgent need of interline feed as their longhaul schedule winds down
^CX and QR will shortly be terminating their joint venture, which may signify a lack of interest in cooperating there.
MH is a bit of a joke at the moment, they might leave oneworld to save on the fees ... but they will be in urgent need of interline feed as their longhaul schedule winds down
Agree with you on MH although they do have a nice regional network, especially if we could get QR/BA codeshares going out of KUL.
Jan 14, 2016, 4:30 pm
#37
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Is a dense US airline that important for QR's operations? At the moment AA only grudgingly interlines with it and prefers to cooperate with EY.
Jan 14, 2016, 4:38 pm
#38
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I have worked there and sadly it does. Everything everyone does has a 'what will the Chief say?' mentality; it is voiced at most meetings. Nobody thinks for themselves through pure fear. It is the worst place I have ever worked and I was shocked that any company could ever work in such a manner.
From a customer perspective in J though they are excellent.
From a customer perspective in J though they are excellent.
Jan 14, 2016, 4:38 pm
#39
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To be honest a lot of that article was speculation so maybe that was unreliable as well!
Without BA connections – a scenario that could have emerged – Cathay would have struggled with two of its five London flights. Even under the Cathay-Qatar Airways partnership (to be dissolved from 2016), connections with BA over London Heathrow often offered faster journey times to secondary European markets than via Doha with Qatar.
Jan 14, 2016, 4:48 pm
#40
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Jan 14, 2016, 5:21 pm
#41
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It's not exclusive, B6 have reasonably deep codesharing with dozens of airlines. When QR announced DOH-BOS they immediately arranged to codeshare on all B6 services out of BOS (http://airlineroute.net/2015/11/23/q...deshare-mar16/) although I haven't scrutinized the fares to see if they are reasonable value for money.
My suspicion is that the QR-B6 partnership is already more secure than the QR-AA "relationship".
My suspicion is that the QR-B6 partnership is already more secure than the QR-AA "relationship".
Jan 14, 2016, 5:34 pm
#42
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I always thought that QR joining an airline alliance was more for AAB's ego more so than anything. EY despite being smaller, found it easier to go for the Partners route more so than joining an alliance. I would suspect QR's original intenrion on joining oneworld would be the Chief's beliefs that he could sway the alliance to his benefit due to the size of QR and as a member of ME3. Clearly he is wrong - the TATL JV probably will hold more weight than AAB's nagging amongst others, and QR is now in a slight fix as leaving would only bruise AAB's ego if no one follows along, not to mention not being able to leverage against EK's bigger size through using the offline access in oneworld.
AAB probably doesn't realise that his bluff of making noises isn't working as well - he will get ignored if he keeps making empty promises. Yet again, AAB knows he can't act on his threats because there are some benefits on QR that he doesn't want to let go, especially given the importance AAB puts on having 'face'.
Although admittedly my only beef in this is le cheap ex-CMB and ex-OSL QR fares and visits to Al Mourjan WHILST being able to get TPs.
AAB probably doesn't realise that his bluff of making noises isn't working as well - he will get ignored if he keeps making empty promises. Yet again, AAB knows he can't act on his threats because there are some benefits on QR that he doesn't want to let go, especially given the importance AAB puts on having 'face'.
Although admittedly my only beef in this is le cheap ex-CMB and ex-OSL QR fares and visits to Al Mourjan WHILST being able to get TPs.
Jan 14, 2016, 6:27 pm
#43
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Explaining to the average person that your airline made a serious mistake but won't do it again isn't remotely better than pretending it wasn't your fault. If you do the former they'd merely focus on "we made a mistake" and disregard everything that comes after it.
Jan 14, 2016, 6:40 pm
#44
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Here's a thread from last time this happened, about six months ago:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...-oneworld.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...-oneworld.html
Jan 14, 2016, 7:08 pm
#45
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A state run airline shouldn't be encouraged.
On the QR forum as well....now there's a surprise. 
Here's a thread from last time this happened, about six months ago:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...-oneworld.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...-oneworld.html