Meaning of "marketed and operated"
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 101
Meaning of "marketed and operated"
This probably applied to all FF programs, but I'm a QR flyer.
I have seen flights on comparison sites which are slightly lower than on the QR website.
If I was to book via the agent/booking site and not direct from QR would it affect allocation of Qpoints or other miles?
The T&Cs say flights "marketed and operated by Qatar Airways" but nothing about who they are sold by.
I have seen flights on comparison sites which are slightly lower than on the QR website.
If I was to book via the agent/booking site and not direct from QR would it affect allocation of Qpoints or other miles?
The T&Cs say flights "marketed and operated by Qatar Airways" but nothing about who they are sold by.
#2
Join Date: Jan 2015
Programs: QR Platinum
Posts: 470
This probably applied to all FF programs, but I'm a QR flyer.
I have seen flights on comparison sites which are slightly lower than on the QR website.
If I was to book via the agent/booking site and not direct from QR would it affect allocation of Qpoints or other miles?
The T&Cs say flights "marketed and operated by Qatar Airways" but nothing about who they are sold by.
I have seen flights on comparison sites which are slightly lower than on the QR website.
If I was to book via the agent/booking site and not direct from QR would it affect allocation of Qpoints or other miles?
The T&Cs say flights "marketed and operated by Qatar Airways" but nothing about who they are sold by.
This worked always for me.
#3
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Abu Dhabi
Programs: BA Gold/OWE
Posts: 531
>> If I was to book via the agent/booking site and not direct from QR would it affect allocation of Qpoints or other miles?
No, assuming you are comparing identical flights, booking classes and fares.
I have seen special promos where direct booking was required, but not in the general case.
No, assuming you are comparing identical flights, booking classes and fares.
I have seen special promos where direct booking was required, but not in the general case.
#4
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: PAR
Programs: QR Plat, Accor Plat
Posts: 1,088
Marketed = airline whose flight number is on your ticket. It has nothing to do with the website or travel agency where you bought your ticket
Operated = airline who operate the flight
For example :
Flight QR702 from JFK to DOH is also marketed under American airline flight number AA7972, so :
QR702 is marketed AND operated by QR
AA7972 is marketed by AA and operated by QR
Operated = airline who operate the flight
For example :
Flight QR702 from JFK to DOH is also marketed under American airline flight number AA7972, so :
QR702 is marketed AND operated by QR
AA7972 is marketed by AA and operated by QR
#6
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 3,944
Matt4 thanks for your description of Marketing and Operating airlines. However this is only half the story. It is the consequences of these definitions that can cause problems.
These definitions were created by IATA to provide 'simple understandable rules for code share flights'.
It does however lead to some interesting anomalies.
Take baggage allowance for example.
Taking the soon to finish codeshare DOH-HKG CX640/QR5801 Your baggage allowance varies according to the marketing carrier.
On CX the standard Y baggage allowance is 20 kgs.
On QR the standard Y baggage allowance is 30 kgs,
If your ticket says CX640 then it is 20 kgs. But if is says QR5801 or 'CX640 sold as QR5801' then it is 30 kgs.
For flights from Europe, The Middle East or Africa the rules are identical since they are all in IATA tariff area 2 whilst HKG is in IATA tariff area 3.
Thus for QR068 FRA-DOH-HKG as well as codeshare AA7968 FRA-DOH-HKG it is the DOH-HKG flight that determines your baggage allowance for the entire journey.
More complicated is
JFK-DOH-HKG
If your flight is QR702 then QRs baggage rules apply throughout your journey. If it is AA7972 then AAs baggage rules apply throughout your journey. The rules for DOH-HKG are ignored.
This is because JFK is in IATA tariff area 1.
It is the change of IATA tariff zone that determines the MSC (Most significant Carrier). For codeshare Carrier means Marketing airline.
These rules can be seen at http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...ier-rules.html and on the IATA website.
Some 18+ months ago I think I saw the comment on the IATA website to the effect that 'With certain exceptions the terms and conditions of the MSC are valid for the entire journey' Am I remembering correctly or incorrectly? If you know definitely one way or the other please let me know.
These definitions were created by IATA to provide 'simple understandable rules for code share flights'.
It does however lead to some interesting anomalies.
Take baggage allowance for example.
Taking the soon to finish codeshare DOH-HKG CX640/QR5801 Your baggage allowance varies according to the marketing carrier.
On CX the standard Y baggage allowance is 20 kgs.
On QR the standard Y baggage allowance is 30 kgs,
If your ticket says CX640 then it is 20 kgs. But if is says QR5801 or 'CX640 sold as QR5801' then it is 30 kgs.
For flights from Europe, The Middle East or Africa the rules are identical since they are all in IATA tariff area 2 whilst HKG is in IATA tariff area 3.
Thus for QR068 FRA-DOH-HKG as well as codeshare AA7968 FRA-DOH-HKG it is the DOH-HKG flight that determines your baggage allowance for the entire journey.
More complicated is
JFK-DOH-HKG
If your flight is QR702 then QRs baggage rules apply throughout your journey. If it is AA7972 then AAs baggage rules apply throughout your journey. The rules for DOH-HKG are ignored.
This is because JFK is in IATA tariff area 1.
It is the change of IATA tariff zone that determines the MSC (Most significant Carrier). For codeshare Carrier means Marketing airline.
These rules can be seen at http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...ier-rules.html and on the IATA website.
Some 18+ months ago I think I saw the comment on the IATA website to the effect that 'With certain exceptions the terms and conditions of the MSC are valid for the entire journey' Am I remembering correctly or incorrectly? If you know definitely one way or the other please let me know.
#7
Join Date: Jan 2015
Programs: QR Platinum
Posts: 470
https://www.checkfelix.com/flights
There was usually always one offer that was cheaper then QR (inclusive all). But you should have different credit cards because some providers charge for visa payments but not for master card payments and vice versa and you should be sometimes little bit flexible regarding the departure times because the cheaper flights have different flight times than the cheapest QR offer but still on same day.
Last edited by Crisu69; Jan 4, 2016 at 10:39 am
#8
Join Date: Jan 2015
Programs: QR Platinum
Posts: 470
I have compared the cheapest offer from QR and from Checkfelix for a flight
from FRA-BKK
09.1. - 16.1.
in economy
The price from Qatar is 820,14 EUR and the cheapest offer from checkfelix is 720 EUR inclusive credit card charge and no other charges.
The only difference is the departure time from FRA and the plane (A330 instead of A350 at the QR offer)
from FRA-BKK
09.1. - 16.1.
in economy
The price from Qatar is 820,14 EUR and the cheapest offer from checkfelix is 720 EUR inclusive credit card charge and no other charges.
The only difference is the departure time from FRA and the plane (A330 instead of A350 at the QR offer)