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number_6 May 24, 2009 8:42 am
Empty J cabins
 
I flew QF 25 MEL-AKL-LAX just to see what it is like, before being dismembered. The loads were ridiculous! Less than 10 in J on both sectors, and only 2 pax went MEL-LAX. I guess everyone picks QF93 instead. So I now understand a bit better why QF rescheduled this flight (to be more convenient for AKL arrival) and is changing it to 737.

Having so few pax in J meant F level service (better FA to pax ratio than a full F cabin) and everyone had a separate row to themselved, not just an empty seat next to them. It is vey close to F service when J is half empty, the only problem is the skybed. The incline is just enough to interfere with my sleep, so that will keep me in F for the forseeable future (haven't tried the A380 J yet, which is touted as having a level skybed).

JerseySlime May 24, 2009 11:37 am
Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 11797489)
I flew QF 25 MEL-AKL-LAX just to see what it is like, before being dismembered. The loads were ridiculous! Less than 10 in J on both sectors, and only 2 pax went MEL-LAX. I guess everyone picks QF93 instead. So I now understand a bit better why QF rescheduled this flight (to be more convenient for AKL arrival) and is changing it to 737.

Having so few pax in J meant F level service (better FA to pax ratio than a full F cabin) and everyone had a separate row to themselved, not just an empty seat next to them. It is vey close to F service when J is half empty, the only problem is the skybed. The incline is just enough to interfere with my sleep, so that will keep me in F for the forseeable future (haven't tried the A380 J yet, which is touted as having a level skybed).
Where did you sit? How about the Y load?

og May 24, 2009 4:10 pm
Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 11797489)
...The incline is just enough to interfere with my sleep, so that will keep me in F for the forseeable future ...
Just the good news that QF would love hear.

Traveloguy May 24, 2009 4:27 pm
Originally Posted by og (Post 11798869)
Just the good news that QF would love hear.
Maybe so, although don't forget that QF is now the only major transpacific carrier operating between MEL/SYD/BEN and LAX/SFO with an inclined bed in J.

DL/UA/NZ/VA all offer a flat bed. The Roo route is starting to loo increasingly flat too with SQ/EK/CX/EY et al all offering a flat experience in J. Would not be surprised to hear that QF is looking to update the 744s which are not almost ready to retire up to scratch, even if it means implementing a DL/UA style bed for these aircraft.

How the tables have turned!

DownUnderFlyer May 24, 2009 6:41 pm
Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 11797489)
I flew QF 25 MEL-AKL-LAX just to see what it is like, before being dismembered. The loads were ridiculous! Less than 10 in J on both sectors, and only 2 pax went MEL-LAX. I guess everyone picks QF93 instead. So I now understand a bit better why QF rescheduled this flight (to be more convenient for AKL arrival) and is changing it to 737.

Having so few pax in J meant F level service (better FA to pax ratio than a full F cabin) and everyone had a separate row to themselved, not just an empty seat next to them. It is vey close to F service when J is half empty, the only problem is the skybed. The incline is just enough to interfere with my sleep, so that will keep me in F for the forseeable future (haven't tried the A380 J yet, which is touted as having a level skybed).
Thanks for trying out the J service so you can see how the rest of us has to fly. ;) :D
I was just on QF4 (a no bed whatsoever service) and loads were 100% full in J and 95% in Y. But I have been on some ridiculously empty JL flights lately with 8 J pax on a 744.

number_6 May 25, 2009 12:40 am
Originally Posted by JerseySlime (Post 11798041)
Where did you sit? How about the Y load?
I was in 4A -- just in case they sub'ed a 4-class 744, but no such luck. Still the J configured A zone is quite nice, and with an empty seat next to you it is actually nicer than F for a day flight. It is only for sleeping that there is a disadvantage. Y was about 70% full MEL-AKL and half full AKL-LAX (a lot of AKL origin pax, very few MEL-LAX traffic). I actually liked the break in AKL and the duty free shopping at AKL is quite good, also I could upload my work from the prior 5 hours from my laptop.

kangela May 25, 2009 7:47 am
Empty J cabins - haven't gone unnoticed by QF
 
QF is sending emails to fill those TT empties and reduce the QFF risk :D

Limited offer: upgrade from Economy

Register for a Flight Upgrade Award

As you have booked an upcoming international trip that includes travel in Economy from Sydney to Auckland you may like to know that for a limited period until 2 June 2009, you can use your Qantas Frequent Flyer points to register for a Flight Upgrade Award* from Economy to Business.

Within Economy there are a number of different seat classes and your seat booking class is usually not eligible for upgrade. However, for a limited time we are lifting this restriction on seats booked in N, O or Q class and your seat is now eligible to register for an upgrade*.

To be eligible to upgrade you must register your request online at qantas.com before 2 June 2009. Telephone requests are not eligible. Please also remember that you can only register for an international Flight Upgrade Award from 90 days to 24 hours before your departure from your first port of origin.
More discussion about this here

Kiwi Flyer May 25, 2009 1:13 pm
Originally Posted by kangela (Post 11801108)
QF is sending emails to fill those TT empties and reduce the QFF risk :D
The last few trans-tasman flights I've taken business was totally full.

Blackcloud May 25, 2009 1:32 pm
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 11802393)
The last few trans-tasman flights I've taken business was totally full.
I have noticed the same thing and this is to/from WLG that due to lack of competition does not have the J Sale fares.:mad:

JerseySlime May 25, 2009 1:58 pm
Originally Posted by number_6 (Post 11800217)
I was in 4A -- just in case they sub'ed a 4-class 744, but no such luck. Still the J configured A zone is quite nice, and with an empty seat next to you it is actually nicer than F for a day flight. It is only for sleeping that there is a disadvantage. Y was about 70% full MEL-AKL and half full AKL-LAX (a lot of AKL origin pax, very few MEL-LAX traffic). I actually liked the break in AKL and the duty free shopping at AKL is quite good, also I could upload my work from the prior 5 hours from my laptop.
I chose 4E on QF25 (AKL-LAX only) in Feb 10 for the same reason. Having nothing more than Bronze status on QF, if a 4-class 744 were subbed for the 74J, I would assume they'll toss me out of Zone A to allow high status QFers to sit in an F seat. Other than 4A, 4K, and me, Zone A shows empty. The UD is about half full. Rows 23 and 24 show 2/3 full.

jarinzfin May 25, 2009 3:59 pm
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 11802393)
The last few trans-tasman flights I've taken business was totally full.
The ones we did earlier this month AKL-SYD and MEL-AKL were almost empty, on the MEL-AKL only one other pax! We got truly good service ^

flyer121 May 25, 2009 4:09 pm
I am reading similar posts on other airline threads. This is obviously a sign of the global recession. Lets hope that the worst is behind us, and things will begin to pick-up.

serfty May 25, 2009 4:22 pm
I'm on QF133 later this week; 9's in all classes (except U) and there are no J seats showing as allocated. (The seat map has gone into the ~5 day pre-flight mode)

What is interesting(?) is that my front row Y seat is showing as allocated on www.checkmytrip.com and www.qantas.com/yourbookings but E/F is now showing "My" seat as empty. :eek:

seat_4D May 26, 2009 12:43 am
Originally Posted by serfty (Post 11803091)

What is interesting(?) is that my front row Y seat is showing as allocated on www.checkmytrip.com and www.qantas.com/yourbookings but E/F is now showing "My" seat as empty. :eek:
Well it can only go one of two ways cant it? Either enjoy your upgrade, or dispair at your new seat 48E....

serfty May 26, 2009 1:03 am
Originally Posted by seat_4D (Post 11804725)
Well it can only go one of two ways cant it? Either enjoy your upgrade, or dispair at your new seat 48E....
It's back ... however, on another flight in June a similar thing has happened, however, while C/M/T is showing the seat allocation, there is nor 'confirmation' tick not is any seat allocation appearing for that segment on www.qantas.com/yourbooking .


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