Fleet renewal plan?
 

There was a story in the FInancial Times about QF which mentioned that QF has "lots of planes on order" and is in year 3 of their fleet renewal plan, costing AUD 17 billion. I know QF has 10xA380 on order (in fact they have the 2nd delivery slot, if I remember correctly). That accounts for 25% of the cost; the 747ERs and A330s come to another 3 billion (unless they are getting more A330s than I know about). So what planes are being bought for the other AUD 10 billion? That is a lot of 738s ....
Does anyone have details of the fleet renewal?

There has been talk for a little while of QF acquiring some more 744's, as they are in need of the extra capacity. Not sure if they do this, if they will be purchased or leased. Also the ever present rumor of QF and the A345!! You just never know.

Of course there are more 738's on order (10 still to be delivered), and there may be more. The earlier model Dash 8's are also being replaced with the newer -300's. I don't think these account for that whole amount, so will be interesting to see what aircraft they go with.

Cheers

Not to mention, what is it 40 or so A320's that are scheduled for introduction into the Qantas "group", to replace the existing 717 fleet, as well as few older 737's ;)

qantas are getting a A380 ?????

wow

when is this and where will it fly

:)

I'll be booking a trip on this after they get one (and after it's flown at least 100 times)

IF QF really needed 747's immediately couldn't they do whatever needs to happen with the two '300's sitting at Avalon and put them back into service?

More than one. QF is scheduled to take delivery of the A380 in 2006 (along with SQ).

I'm asuming it's going to fly SYD-LONDON
or
SYD- LAX?

I think QF have an order for 10 at present. I think you will seee them on both LHR and LAX routes from SYD.

QF is a launch customer for the A380 and may very well have the first commercially operated flight for that type.
A bit of research has found the following info. The orders are less than I expected for 17 billion, but spares and engines probably come to 2 billion given all the new types acquired. I can't find much info for orders in the past year except for the Jetstar A320 order. What else has QF ordered? The long-haul fleet is a bit thin, given the retirement of the older 742/3s and 767s.

The following aircraft are on order as part of the ten year fleet plan and are yet to be delivered as of Feb 2003:
3 x Dash 8-300
8 x Boeing 737-800
11 x Airbus A330
2 x Boeing 747-400ER
12 x Airbus A380
Additional order of 9 737-800 in late 2003 (33 total in fleet by 2005)
Jetstar 23 x A32x worth USD1.15 billion

fleet as of Feb 2003:
Airbus 330 2
Boeing 747-400ER 4
Boeing 747-400 25
Boeing 747-300 6
Boeing 767-300ER 29
Boeing 767-200ER 7
Boeing 737-800 16
Boeing 737-700 11
Boeing 737-400 22
Boeing 737-300 21
Boeing 717-200 14
BAe146 15
Total Jet Fleet 162 in Feb 2003
De Havilland Dash 8 32

Are you sure they are just sitting there? The -300's are supposed to be getting the IFE and J upgrades presently. It might seem that there has been two sitting there for a long time now, but are they actually the same two? The lack of -300 availability is the reason the 744's (and ER's at that) are operating QF51/52 presently.

I believe there are 2x743's in storage and have been for a while. I understand that they will be brought back soon but both require their heavy maintenance checks. I'll try to track down their rego's. I think because of this and the skybed fitout they have been left aside while the maintenance guys deal with the remainder of the fleet.

I think that Emirates will be the launch customer for the A380 followed by Singapore.

This will be news to Qantas as well as to Boeing.

Dave

At the moment, it looks as though one of the -300's will be back in service around September (VH-EBW), the other not till Feb 05 (VH-EBV). I pressume these would both have the Cabin refits done before returning to service, but not 100% on that. The first has been untaped and moved closer to the hangers, so it looks as though the process has now started.

Cheers

Hmm.... Interesting. I didn't realise Qnatas ordered some 737-700 that ws never delivered. To number_6, no offence here, but where did you get your data from, I mean, the time now April 2004!

As far as I know (from Australian Aviation), QF still has about 4 -5 A330-300 yet to be delivered, the delivery of the fourth aircraft (VH-QPD Corowa) have been deferred till November to allow Airbus to do some development work and some testing. And the new lot of B737-800 will be delivered beginning July (VH-VYA to VYG).

IMHO, Qantas should order the A330 series to replace its aging B767-300 (but bearing in mind the oldest is still relatively young at 15 years old). I personally find them to be a better aircraft to travel in.

That was the original plan that 330's ops trunk domestic routes but this caused serious operational problems with turnaround times being quite lengthy etc.

The plan B is being executed and is to move the 330's to the longer domestic ops and then to fit them out for INT service for the Asian routes and to pull the 767's from them onto the trunk domestic ops. These 767's hours are getting high but their cycles are quite low so the best utilisation for the remainder of their life will be on the golden triangle.