Qantas will suspend overseas travel until [December] 2021
Jan 4, 2021, 1:48 pm
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The statement in the 1st post is entirely wrong
Jan 4, 2021, 3:02 pm
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It takes about 30 days by disputing the charge with the card company if there is delay - that people may choose to take vouchers does not take away from fact that they could have a refund if they desired to do so; some airlines have been offering a higher value credit than cash refund to entice people to take a voucher - in the end it is the consumer's choice
The statement in the 1st post is entirely wrong
The statement in the 1st post is entirely wrong
In your opinion, what are the chances QF operates these flights - particularly to the UK/US?
Jan 4, 2021, 3:50 pm
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I was able to get full $$$ refunds over several Qantas flights/bookings in 2020.
However, in my experience, the average time for a $$$ refund of revenue bookings from the time of cancellation was of over 10 weeks.
All my bookings were made using an American Express Charge Card and the two times I endeavoured to dispute the Qantas charges resulted in an immediate credit of the charges to the account. Both times this was shortly followed by a reversal of each credit a few weeks later as "Qantas would be refunding".
So, given my experiences last year, my consideration of the relative unlikelihood of any scheduled regular long haul Qantas international flights operating this year and the many anecdotes I have come across in respect to Qantas procrastinating, delaying and deferring refunds as much as possible, I perceive that anyone making a a long haul Qantas booking for travel this year is almost certainly simply providing a short term loan of nine months or more to Qantas.
However, in my experience, the average time for a $$$ refund of revenue bookings from the time of cancellation was of over 10 weeks.
All my bookings were made using an American Express Charge Card and the two times I endeavoured to dispute the Qantas charges resulted in an immediate credit of the charges to the account. Both times this was shortly followed by a reversal of each credit a few weeks later as "Qantas would be refunding".
So, given my experiences last year, my consideration of the relative unlikelihood of any scheduled regular long haul Qantas international flights operating this year and the many anecdotes I have come across in respect to Qantas procrastinating, delaying and deferring refunds as much as possible, I perceive that anyone making a a long haul Qantas booking for travel this year is almost certainly simply providing a short term loan of nine months or more to Qantas.
Last edited by serfty; Jan 5, 2021 at 7:14 pm
Jan 4, 2021, 5:17 pm
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So, given my experiences last year, my consideration of the relative unlikelihood of any scheduled regular long haul Qantas international flights operating this year and the many anecdotes I have come across in respect to Qantas procrastinating, delaying and deferring refunds as much as possible, I perceive that anyone making a a long haul Qantas booking for travel this year is almost certainly simply providing a short term loan of nine months or more to Qantas.
Jan 4, 2021, 5:23 pm
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Looks like Qantas has started selling international flights for July. A few blogs as well as the Daily Mail have picked up on it. Here's one from One Mile At A Time:
Qantas To Resume International Flights In July 2021 | One Mile at a Time
From the blog post:
"Qantas selling international flights as of July 2021
Australia has been among the strictest countries when it comes to closing its borders due to coronavirus, and as a result, Qantas’ international fleet has more or less been grounded since early 2020. Up until recently the airline had canceled most international flights through at least October 2021, but that timeline has now been moved forward significantly.
Qantas has now put a vast majority of its international long haul network on sale for flights as of July 1, 2021. This includes the following routes:
Of course QF is itching to get things going again, but I just don't see how this could possibly work out. I would imagine that QF is in constant contact with the state and federal governments, and it sure seems the hotel quarantine program isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so how can they operate flights in any meaningful way? Unless the number of quarantine rooms greatly expands and the cost decreases, they will need the governments to change course entirely to allow travel to happen. Perhaps vaccine requirements and testing with self-isolation upon arrival in Australia will allow them to go ahead.
Edit to add: I see know this is being discussed in the QF forum as well. Not sure why I didn't think to look there first. Mods can remove this if they'd like.
Qantas To Resume International Flights In July 2021 | One Mile at a Time
From the blog post:
"Qantas selling international flights as of July 2021
Australia has been among the strictest countries when it comes to closing its borders due to coronavirus, and as a result, Qantas’ international fleet has more or less been grounded since early 2020. Up until recently the airline had canceled most international flights through at least October 2021, but that timeline has now been moved forward significantly.
Qantas has now put a vast majority of its international long haul network on sale for flights as of July 1, 2021. This includes the following routes:
- Brisbane to Los Angeles
- Brisbane to Singapore
- Melbourne to Hong Kong
- Melbourne to Los Angeles
- Melbourne to San Francisco
- Melbourne to Tokyo
- Perth to London
- Sydney to Dallas
- Sydney to Hong Kong
- Sydney to Johannesburg
- Sydney to Los Angeles
- Sydney to San Francisco
- Sydney to Singapore to London
- Sydney to Tokyo
Of course QF is itching to get things going again, but I just don't see how this could possibly work out. I would imagine that QF is in constant contact with the state and federal governments, and it sure seems the hotel quarantine program isn't going anywhere anytime soon, so how can they operate flights in any meaningful way? Unless the number of quarantine rooms greatly expands and the cost decreases, they will need the governments to change course entirely to allow travel to happen. Perhaps vaccine requirements and testing with self-isolation upon arrival in Australia will allow them to go ahead.
Edit to add: I see know this is being discussed in the QF forum as well. Not sure why I didn't think to look there first. Mods can remove this if they'd like.
Any word on aircraft types here? SYD-JNB? Wasn’t that planned for a380 (stored)- can’t be a twin? More northerly routing? Or just an indication that it’s not happening?
Jan 4, 2021, 6:17 pm
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Currently shows as being operated by a 787. I can't imagine QF wanting anything to do with the fuel guzzling A380s for quite some time. 787s can absolutely operate SYD-JNB under ETOPS 330, but prior to the COVID groundings, CASA hadn't approved ETOPS flights beyond 180m for Australian airlines.
Jan 4, 2021, 6:41 pm
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The schedules are just something some-one in QF HO hope will/may/could happen. I would not be taking bets
Jan 4, 2021, 9:42 pm
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I am booked on QF11 1July 2021 Syd - Lax part of a Lufthansa Mini Round The World business.
What are the odds of this flight resuming?
I have confirmation plus seat allocations (Business) for all sectors SYD-LAX-FRA-BUD-FRA-SIN-SYD for July 2021.
Lufthansa & Singapore Airlines are the other carriers.
It is noted that very few seats have been allocated on all sectors.
What are the odds of this flight resuming?
I have confirmation plus seat allocations (Business) for all sectors SYD-LAX-FRA-BUD-FRA-SIN-SYD for July 2021.
Lufthansa & Singapore Airlines are the other carriers.
It is noted that very few seats have been allocated on all sectors.
I thought that I might resurrect this post, note that the first flight is July 1 QF11 SYD-LAX
Any chance that this flight will take place or should I look at ditching Qantas and replacing it with United
* this is a booking from August 2020 as the original itinerary was July 2020 then Sept 2020 (both did not eventuate)
Last edited by robertr; Jan 4, 2021 at 9:53 pm
Jan 4, 2021, 9:51 pm
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Think Qantas will be flying to USA well before 1 July 2021, especially if other carriers start flying SYD/LAX in April.
If Qantas doesn't fly it, you can always fly SYD/NAN/LAX on Qantas codeshare on newer & better aircraft (A350)
Jan 4, 2021, 9:51 pm
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Hi RobertR,
Perhaps just as pertinent: what is your nationality, is this the first leg of the LH RTW and - if so - how long do you intend to be out of the country?
Regards,
BD
Perhaps just as pertinent: what is your nationality, is this the first leg of the LH RTW and - if so - how long do you intend to be out of the country?
Regards,
BD
Jan 4, 2021, 9:56 pm
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Regards,
BD
Jan 4, 2021, 10:03 pm
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100% it will operate. That's nearly 6 months away.
Think Qantas will be flying to USA well before 1 July 2021, especially if other carriers start flying SYD/LAX in April.
If Qantas doesn't fly it, you can always fly SYD/NAN/LAX on Qantas codeshare on newer & better aircraft (A350)
Think Qantas will be flying to USA well before 1 July 2021, especially if other carriers start flying SYD/LAX in April.
If Qantas doesn't fly it, you can always fly SYD/NAN/LAX on Qantas codeshare on newer & better aircraft (A350)
Jan 4, 2021, 10:24 pm
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VA operated their 77W to JNB although it did follow a somewhat extended northerly route no doubt due to ETOPS. I suspect the real issue for QF is whether they can do non stop 787 JNB-SYD with a meaningful load due to the temperature and altitude of JNB.
