Qantas will suspend overseas travel until [December] 2021
Sep 4, 2021, 7:27 pm
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Until the QLD govt (and WA) allow international arrivals, with minimal restrictions, would not be expecting many(any?) QLD (or WA) QF international flights. QLD & WA are going for isolation by their current policy. Note than QF have dropped PER for the (planned future) LHR flights. Used to be MEL-PER-LHR.. Is a reason for that. Its not all to with aircraft. Going to take 3-4-5 years before international travel gets back to 2019 levels
Am no political expert, but think the federal election due by March 2022 & both major parties on the nose, minor parties could pick up a few senate seats & therefore control federal policy. Surely then, state premiers can be ignored & some sort of federal marshall law imposed, which would mean, feds would take no notice of what states want or think.
Govts should stop governing by opinion polls which have been shown in recent years, to be vastly wrong, when the silent majority, isn't taken into account.
On the A332 aircraft on BNE/LAX/BNE, how on earth is a full A332 going to make LAX/BNE nonstop, even with many seats removed ? & what's the alternate for LAX if winds aren't favourable on BNE/LAX ? HNL ?
Sep 4, 2021, 7:30 pm
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Sep 4, 2021, 8:25 pm
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But isn’t this commercial reality? Sitting from the perspective of CX in HK, pre-pandemic they have the passenger numbers to operate to all capital cities save Hobart. Now it doesn’t even make sense to operate even a passenger daily to even Sydney.
Sep 4, 2021, 9:01 pm
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Was a time pre CV19 ~ 2019 that CX operated (international flights) from more AU international airports than did QF. But overall QF had a lot international seats.
Sep 4, 2021, 9:29 pm
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IIRC - BNE/LAX JAN 2020 - there were 13 return nonstops a week on B787s. Going to only 4/week A332 (with certain number of blocked seats) nonstops a week, seems like they are playing into hands of Air NZ & Fiji air. Also doubt is any/many of the LAX/BNEs with an A332 will actually be nonstop. Suggest they might have to do a splash & dash at NAN or NOU.
Sep 5, 2021, 8:03 pm
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I suspect the WA politicians will not care if the rest of Australia is opened internationally....
Easy to close the state border for one reason or another.... (Unless Bali opens up )
happy wandering
Fred
Easy to close the state border for one reason or another.... (Unless Bali opens up )
happy wandering
Fred
Sep 6, 2021, 12:53 am
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any Australian politician who tries to impose any restrictions on movement, both domestic & international, once Australia hits 80% vaccinated, risks their own & their parties future.
Am no political expert, but think the federal election due by March 2022 & both major parties on the nose, minor parties could pick up a few senate seats & therefore control federal policy. Surely then, state premiers can be ignored & some sort of federal marshall law imposed, which would mean, feds would take no notice of what states want or think.
Govts should stop governing by opinion polls which have been shown in recent years, to be vastly wrong, when the silent majority, isn't taken into account.
On the A332 aircraft on BNE/LAX/BNE, how on earth is a full A332 going to make LAX/BNE nonstop, even with many seats removed ? & what's the alternate for LAX if winds aren't favourable on BNE/LAX ? HNL ?
Am no political expert, but think the federal election due by March 2022 & both major parties on the nose, minor parties could pick up a few senate seats & therefore control federal policy. Surely then, state premiers can be ignored & some sort of federal marshall law imposed, which would mean, feds would take no notice of what states want or think.
Govts should stop governing by opinion polls which have been shown in recent years, to be vastly wrong, when the silent majority, isn't taken into account.
On the A332 aircraft on BNE/LAX/BNE, how on earth is a full A332 going to make LAX/BNE nonstop, even with many seats removed ? & what's the alternate for LAX if winds aren't favourable on BNE/LAX ? HNL ?
Sep 7, 2021, 12:15 am
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The westbound will be the problem - QF did LAX-AKL for many years without too much issue. I understand they are looking to bump the MTOW of the newer 332s to do the route - should be do-able at least as an interim solution for a few years
Sep 10, 2021, 4:12 pm
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The A332 did LAX-AKL service slightly better than the B743 that was used on the routes at times, the NAN or HNL stops were not uncommon. If it was an really bad head wind day with marginal weather in AKL you might get lucky with an HNL and an NAN stop.
Sep 26, 2021, 9:10 pm
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As expected
27 Sept (ExecTrav AU)--->Qantas will skip Perth when London flights resume
QF Newsroom QANTAS AND JETSTAR UPDATE FLIGHT SCHEDULES AS STATE PLANS ARE LAID OUT
27 Sept (ExecTrav AU)--->Qantas will skip Perth when London flights resume
With Qantas moving towards a gradual restart of international flights from mid-December, Perth will lose its status as the airline's preferred transit point on routes to London. In its place, the Roo's services from Australia to the UK will use either Darwin or Singapore as a springboard instead. "At this stage, WA doesn’t intend to open to international travel until sometime next year, so we’ll unfortunately have to temporarily move our Perth-London service until at least April 2022," said Qantas CEO Alan Joyce. A decision on whether to use Darwin or Singapore is expected next month, as it's not expected that the airline would transit both cities
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Western Australia also locked out of domestic travel
The state's tough stance on borders is also expected to see it closed to arrivals from New South Wales and Victoria into next year. While Qantas will continue running five return flights a week from both Sydney and Melbourne to Perth for essential travellers, it now doesn't expect WA's border to come down until February 2022. "Based on our discussions with Western Australia, we know their borders won’t be open to New South Wales and Victoria until early next year," continues Joyce. As a result, "we’ve sadly had to cancel the flying we had planned on those routes in the lead-up to Christmas.
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Western Australia also locked out of domestic travel
The state's tough stance on borders is also expected to see it closed to arrivals from New South Wales and Victoria into next year. While Qantas will continue running five return flights a week from both Sydney and Melbourne to Perth for essential travellers, it now doesn't expect WA's border to come down until February 2022. "Based on our discussions with Western Australia, we know their borders won’t be open to New South Wales and Victoria until early next year," continues Joyce. As a result, "we’ve sadly had to cancel the flying we had planned on those routes in the lead-up to Christmas.
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Internationally, flights are still on track to gradually restart from 18 December 2021 onwards when Australia is expected to have reached National Cabinet’s ‘Phase C’ vaccination threshold of 80 per cent. However, as previously flagged, Qantas will temporarily reroute its flagship Perth-London service until at least April 2022 due to the latest WA border settings and assumptions.
Qantas is in detailed discussions with the NT Government and Darwin Airport to assess operating the direct London flight from Darwin during this time. The national carrier has successfully used Darwin as a hub for its repatriation flights to various destinations across Europe, Asia and the Middle East over the past 12 months.
The discussions for what would be a daily Melbourne-Darwin-London service focus on the logistics of domestic and international transit under the current NT Government Plan for COVID-Management at Stage 3 of the National Plan. If this service can’t operate through Darwin, it will instead fly Melbourne-Singapore-London until at least April 2022. A decision on the exact routing is likely to be made within the next two weeks.
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Internationally, flights are still on track to gradually restart from 18 December 2021 onwards when Australia is expected to have reached National Cabinet’s ‘Phase C’ vaccination threshold of 80 per cent. However, as previously flagged, Qantas will temporarily reroute its flagship Perth-London service until at least April 2022 due to the latest WA border settings and assumptions.
Qantas is in detailed discussions with the NT Government and Darwin Airport to assess operating the direct London flight from Darwin during this time. The national carrier has successfully used Darwin as a hub for its repatriation flights to various destinations across Europe, Asia and the Middle East over the past 12 months.
The discussions for what would be a daily Melbourne-Darwin-London service focus on the logistics of domestic and international transit under the current NT Government Plan for COVID-Management at Stage 3 of the National Plan. If this service can’t operate through Darwin, it will instead fly Melbourne-Singapore-London until at least April 2022. A decision on the exact routing is likely to be made within the next two weeks.
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Last edited by Mwenenzi; Sep 26, 2021 at 9:15 pm
Sep 28, 2021, 8:37 pm
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Never mind international another domestic canx!
Yet another voucher, as QF inform me today that even for December they have cancelled my flights to and from on the PER-MEL route. I've given up flying unless I can get back to Europe...it's all to hard.
Sep 28, 2021, 9:27 pm
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From above "Based on our discussions with Western Australia, we know their borders won’t be open to New South Wales and Victoria until early next year," continues Joyce. As a result, "we’ve sadly had to cancel the flying we had planned on those routes in the lead-up to Christmas."
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Last edited by Mwenenzi; Sep 28, 2021 at 9:35 pm
Sep 29, 2021, 4:55 am
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This is all on the WA Premier - nothing at all to do with Qantas. Mark McGowan wants WA effectively isolated from Australia and the world, and judging on the last election the vast majority of WA residents are happy with this.
Oct 1, 2021, 12:27 am
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Vaccinated Aussies will no longer need an exir permit starting November. yay! https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-...ines/100505554