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[Project] Sunrise aircraft may be 77Ls ? [Confirmed: A350]

[Project] Sunrise aircraft may be 77Ls ? [Confirmed: A350]

Old May 6, 2022, 6:14 pm
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Originally Posted by dddc
I thought I'd read/heard somewhere that there would be a premium of £300 or $300 over the "standard" Y fare Oz/UK. Not sure if that meant a discounted Y fare or a full fare Y ticket.
sample fares QF1 SYD-LHR 9/8/22 in AUD
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Old May 6, 2022, 6:18 pm
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sorry i simplistically said Y+ but it meant PEY, to me designator "Y+" meant PEY. i do not consider extra legroom seat as Y+ they are just Y with supplement.

either way i am not sure if QF will refresh their Y to those like Japan Airlines 34inch seatpitch. I can fly Y on JL but i cant on other airlines
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Old May 6, 2022, 6:32 pm
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Originally Posted by fakecd
sorry i simplistically said Y+ but it meant PEY, to me designator "Y+" meant PEY. i do not consider extra legroom seat as Y+ they are just Y with supplement.

either way i am not sure if QF will refresh their Y to those like Japan Airlines 34inch seatpitch. I can fly Y on JL but i cant on other airlines
I recon they’ll only do it if they have to remove a row or two of seats. And that’s more likely to happen if any of the QF Board are sentenced to a middle Y seat on a Sunrise SYD-LHR flight.
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Old May 7, 2022, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by og
I recon they’ll only do it if they have to remove a row or two of seats. And that’s more likely to happen if any of the QF Board are sentenced to a middle Y seat on a Sunrise SYD-LHR flight.


They really need to so they can experience the true discomforts of Y. They will wonder what hit them when they get the Y meal service. A piece of dried bread thrown at you. A PADDLE POP ice cream. Classy.
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Old May 9, 2022, 9:41 pm
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Originally Posted by IADCAflyer
Talking about aircraft is all fun and all, but from what I can see, this project is DOA as long as there is a war between Russia and Ukraine and sanctions against Russia generally. Overflight operations do not exist at this point....
SYD-JFK: Obviously the shorter transpac flights are not affected by this, so SYD-JFK would be a starter if the economics continue to match the assumptions QF are working on today (plenty of variables on both cost and revenue side that could stretch those assumptions). Unlike SQ, who can continue eastbound (or polar, politics permitting) on the return, QF can't, but the westbound fuel needs would have been modelled into original assumptions.

MEL-LHR: Detouring away from Russian airspace not a hige factor, although every extra mile counts. Tracking to DXB, eastern Turkey, IST then to LHR, as QF1/9 do today (except DRW-DXB track rather than MEL-DXB), adds about 200-250 miles or (2-2.5%) to the journey. Probably not so much of an issue.

SYD-LHR: Detouring away from Russian airspace more significant. Using the DXB/Turkey track adds 400 miles or 4% to the journey. Presumably QF have accounted for this.
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Old Feb 22, 2024, 1:56 pm
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It seems project Sunrise gets delayed:

"Travelers who were hoping to experience Qantas’ long-awaited, record-breaking ‘Project Sunrise’ flights next year will have to be a bit more patient. Australia’s flag carrier said on Thursday that manufacturing delays have impacted the delivery dates for the Airbus A350-1000 jets that will be used to service the ultra-long-haul flights by approximately six months, to mid-2026."

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/proje...hnk/index.html
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Old Feb 22, 2024, 11:00 pm
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There was a brief line in another website suggesting a rumour that AB were having difficulties with the additional fuel tank(s) and this may delay temporarily or permanently the whole project.
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Old Feb 23, 2024, 1:23 pm
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QF newsroom 22 Feb 2024 QANTAS GROUP PROFIT IN 1H24 SUPPORTS CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN CUSTOMERS
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Manufacturing delays have impacted the delivery dates for the first A321XLR for Qantas Domestic by three months to early-2025 and the A350 for Qantas International (and Project Sunrise) by approximately six months to mid-2026.
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Old Feb 23, 2024, 2:42 pm
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Originally Posted by og
There was a brief line in another website suggesting a rumour that AB were having difficulties with the additional fuel tank(s) and this may delay temporarily or permanently the whole project.
From Reuters:

"The regulator has asked us to redesign the centre tank on the ultra-long-range airplane for Sunrise," Christian Scherer, the CEO of Airbus' commercial aircraft business said on Thursday on the sidelines of the Singapore Airshow, referring to the airline's "Project Sunrise" flights from Sydney to London."


https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...nk-2024-02-22/
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Old Jul 18, 2024, 5:49 pm
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PR spin from QF newsroom
THE SCIENCE OF SUNRISE: QANTAS CREATES CABIN LIGHTING INSPIRED BY AUSSIE LANDSCAPES TO COMBAT JETLAG
Unique and customisable cabin lighting inspired by the colours of the Australian landscape and grounded in science will feature on Qantas’ upcoming Project Sunrise ultra-long-haul flights to help minimise jetlag and improve customer wellbeing.

The design is a result of more than 150 hours of testing in the Airbus Customer Definition Centre in Hamburg where representatives from Qantas, Airbus, the University of Sydney’s Charles Perkins Centre and Caon Design Office created and tested hundreds of lighting patterns and sequences in an Airbus A350 cabin mockup.
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The trial has produced a series of 12 unique lighting scenes specifically for the Project Sunrise flights, including:
  • “Awake”: Broad-spectrum, blue-enriched lighting to help customers adjust to the destination time zone and help them stay awake; a softer version is available for crew to choose based on cabin mood and ambience.
  • “Sunset”: An immersive transition from a daytime mode into dark that moves through the colours of a sunset into a night sky with moonlight and slow cloud effect to relax customers and prepare them for sleep.
  • “Sunrise”: Dynamic lighting effective for a transition from night to day that replicates an Australian sunrise rolling from the front of the cabin to the rear.
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Qantas International CEO Cam Wallace said that the scientifically informed lighting design was another critical component of the preparation for Project Sunrise flights, which will connect Australia’s east coast
non-stop with London and New York.

“These world-first flights have been an opportunity for us to work with experts and build on our experience of long-haul flying to rethink the inflight experience with a focus on customer wellbeing and combating the effects of jetlag,” said Mr Wallace. “One of the things that was clear from the research is the importance of light cycles and brightness in setting the body clock and that was the basis of this testing. “Combined with the design of the cabins, specialised meal planning, and the movement program, this unique lighting sequence will help improve our customers’ comfort in the air and minimise their jetlag when they arrive at their destination.”
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$10 bets the cabin crew just sets it to "dark" immediately after take off.....and "bright awake" 2 hours before landing
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Old Jul 19, 2024, 6:30 am
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Originally Posted by Koru Flyer
$10 bets the cabin crew just sets it to "dark" immediately after take off.....and "bright awake" 2 hours before landing
yes. I really prefer to be able to see outside and not have the FAs dictate when I can do the viewing. And if this doesn’t suit others in the cabin, I’d suggest eye masks should be worn.
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Old Jul 20, 2024, 4:06 am
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yes. I really prefer to be able to see outside and not have the FAs dictate when I can do the viewing. And if this doesn’t suit others in the cabin, I’d suggest eye masks should be worn.
That’s those God awful electric shades on B787.

The presser was about cabin mood lighting - which TBH I have seen used correctly on QF. They’re going to have stary night effect (like EY). Which is kind of cool.
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Old Jul 20, 2024, 4:44 am
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Originally Posted by fakecd
sorry i simplistically said Y+ but it meant PEY, to me designator "Y+" meant PEY. i do not consider extra legroom seat as Y+ they are just Y with supplement.

either way i am not sure if QF will refresh their Y to those like Japan Airlines 34inch seatpitch. I can fly Y on JL but i cant on other airlines
Y+ Means Y plus legroom

W means premium economy.
J for Business Class
F for First Class
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Old Jul 20, 2024, 4:48 am
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Originally Posted by og
yes. I really prefer to be able to see outside and not have the FAs dictate when I can do the viewing. And if this doesn’t suit others in the cabin, I’d suggest eye masks should be worn.
If you want to see out the window, take the bus or train.

Especially when you're the only window open in an otherwise dark cabin, it's rude and selfish to have it open. Yes eye masks help, but not as effective when windows are open.

Take a eastbound flight from DXB to MEL/SYD/BNE that lands at 6am. A lot of that flight is in daylight, but if you're connecting from Europe, that's exactly when you need to sleep in order to minimise jetlag.

Who should take precedence. The 100s of people who need sleep, or the one person who wants to look out the window......
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