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LATAM leaving OW (date TBC)- what does this mean for QFF

LATAM leaving OW (date TBC)- what does this mean for QFF

Old Sep 26, 19, 9:29 pm
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LATAM leaving OW (date TBC)- what does this mean for QFF

Figured we should have a thread here cos why not

iím currently simultaneously planning a big South American trip and also thinking it might not have too much of an impact because of the QF/LA joint venture- but I suppose the actual routes codeshared are not that extensive

any thoughts?
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Old Sep 26, 19, 10:22 pm
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This seems to be something for the OneWorld forum for which there is a thread already DL to acquire 20% LATAM; LA to exit OW

It doesn't need to mean anything to Qantas
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Old Sep 26, 19, 10:57 pm
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So long as there are QF codes on LA flights then it seems relevant to include it here.
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Old Sep 26, 19, 11:04 pm
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So long as there are QF codes on LA flights then it seems relevant to include it here.
At the moment there is nothing at all regarding any change to it - this is a OneWorld related or LATAM related situation - at the moment there is nothing announced or suggested that there is going to be a change
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Originally Posted by nancypants View Post
Figured we should have a thread here cos why not

iím currently simultaneously planning a big South American trip and also thinking it might not have too much of an impact because of the QF/LA joint venture- but I suppose the actual routes codeshared are not that extensive

any thoughts?
In the short term, no impact. These arrangements take a while to work through. Even once LA has left oneworld, there's a distinct possibility that they will continue to co-operate or even expand the cooperation to be like the arrangements QF has with MU, both carriers have good commercial reasons to co-operate with each other. One relevant point - I assume if they don't sort out more extensive co-operation, the day that LA leaves oneworld will also be the day QFF elites travelling economy on LA metal will stop being granted access to LA lounges.

The only wildcard is should DL see fit to take an equity stake in VA (not sure if that is likely, but it has been mentioned), then it's possible we could see a shift in LA's allegiances on the eastern side of the pacific..
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Old Sep 27, 19, 2:24 am
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In the short term, no impact. These arrangements take a while to work through. Even once LA has left oneworld, there's a distinct possibility that they will continue to co-operate or even expand the cooperation to be like the arrangements QF has with MU, both carriers have good commercial reasons to co-operate with each other. One relevant point - I assume if they don't sort out more extensive co-operation, the day that LA leaves oneworld will also be the day QFF elites travelling economy on LA metal will stop being granted access to LA lounges.

The only wildcard is should DL see fit to take an equity stake in VA (not sure if that is likely, but it has been mentioned), then it's possible we could see a shift in LA's allegiances on the eastern side of the pacific..
The VA angle is quite interesting, probably the most interesting part in this particular context
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Old Sep 27, 19, 6:00 am
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Originally Posted by nancypants View Post
The VA angle is quite interesting, probably the most interesting part in this particular context
Although that bit is just hearsay! But you never know one of it's various owners could be looking to offload their stake,
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Old Sep 27, 19, 6:27 am
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One relevant point - I assume if they don't sort out more extensive co-operation, the day that LA leaves oneworld will also be the day QFF elites travelling economy on LA metal will stop being granted access to LA lounges.
And I am also wondering whether one ultimate result is that I will have been forever stymied in my attempts to fly QF321 SYD-AKL. I've been trying and failing ...
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And I am also wondering whether one ultimate result is that I will have been forever stymied in my attempts to fly QF321 SYD-AKL. I've been trying and failing ...
Back in the ďgood old daysĒ that (well, LA800/801) was my most frequent route
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Old Sep 27, 19, 12:48 pm
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[mod hat] This thread is in its right place as long as it focuses on the specifics of QFF in particular not just general oneworld chatter. So I will leave it here and open for the time being [/mod hat]
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QF used to partner with the other AA -- Aerolineas Argentinas. That ended with Oneworld, and a few years ago DL got AA to join Skyteam. Looks like they are trying to make South America a Skyteam continent, to balance Onceworld having Australia Personally I would be amazed if LA codeshares with QF, though there are a lot of Chileans living in Oz (legacy of the coup in Chile 30 years ago). Given the visa situation, not sure if QF will have the traffic and cargo to keep services profitable to either SCL or EZE. .
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QF used to partner with the other AA -- Aerolineas Argentinas. That ended with Oneworld, and a few years ago DL got AA to join Skyteam. Looks like they are trying to make South America a Skyteam continent, to balance Onceworld having Australia Personally I would be amazed if LA codeshares with QF, though there are a lot of Chileans living in Oz (legacy of the coup in Chile 30 years ago). Given the visa situation, not sure if QF will have the traffic and cargo to keep services profitable to either SCL or EZE. .
My understanding is QF and NZ both operated their South American flights to EZE, NZ withdrawing entirely when the argentine economy went off the boil and QF a combination of that and the LAN partnership
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My understanding is QF and NZ both operated their South American flights to EZE....
QF certainly did operate to EZE and its flights also carried the AR code.
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All appearances are that the QF/LA relationship is good. I would expect them to continue to work together, they are better off in a cozy duopoly than competing with each other. And their networks, besides AU-SCL, are completely separate.

Even if DL bought a stake in VA, which is speculation at best at the moment, it wouldn't mean LATAM would need to jump ship to VA. DL wouldn't have a controlling stake in either airline, so they'd have limited influence. VA can't (or is at least very unlikely to) replace what QF does for them - flights to SCL that they can revenue-share.
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