PER-LHR On 787
#16
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I think Madrid could work by sharing lounges with Iberia, good onward connections (with Iberia) and this part of the world has poor connections to Australia currently. You can’t get to many of the traditional asian hubs from Madrid/Lisbon, there are only expensive Qatar and Emirates flights via Middle East
#17
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MAD would make sense for connetions but that is rather well handled already with BA out of LHR. Getting to another population center, more central EU, would make sense as a second flight option. QF used to operate a FRA flight which seems to make more sense even without a connection partner unless they can/do sell seats with LH or other airlines from there. One of the big advantages to the nonstop from birth is avoiding connections for tourists but mainly for business travelers.
I think Madrid could work by sharing lounges with Iberia, good onward connections (with Iberia) and this part of the world has poor connections to Australia currently. You can’t get to many of the traditional asian hubs from Madrid/Lisbon, there are only expensive Qatar and Emirates flights via Middle East
#18
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I think Madrid could work by sharing lounges with Iberia, good onward connections (with Iberia) and this part of the world has poor connections to Australia currently. You can’t get to many of the traditional asian hubs from Madrid/Lisbon, there are only expensive Qatar and Emirates flights via Middle East
#19
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You've still got daily 330 and 380 to SIN which connect to QF1
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#21
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Loads are irrelevant. Anyone can fill an aircraft by adjusting ticket cost. What matters is PRASM and that is a closely-guarded secret. The business case for any service requires the latter analysis.
Beyond that, those new aircraft do not come cheap. The justification to either increase the number of new aircraft or to pilfer from other routes and frequencies is a comparison.
All coming to the question of how much greater the PER-LHR market could be versus other Australia-Europe routes which include a stop which might itself generate significant high-PRASM O&D traffic.
Beyond that, those new aircraft do not come cheap. The justification to either increase the number of new aircraft or to pilfer from other routes and frequencies is a comparison.
All coming to the question of how much greater the PER-LHR market could be versus other Australia-Europe routes which include a stop which might itself generate significant high-PRASM O&D traffic.
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#23
Join Date: Feb 2019
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Too right Qantas don't discount for this market.
We would have tried the PER-LHR direct, but the cost simply puts us off.
By flying J class with CX, so flying PER-HKG-LHR, we save almost 45% of what it would have cost us to do J class on PER-LHR. The Qantas J product is better than CX's, but not worth almost double the price.
#24
Join Date: Mar 2019
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Too right Qantas don't discount for this market.
We would have tried the PER-LHR direct, but the cost simply puts us off.
By flying J class with CX, so flying PER-HKG-LHR, we save almost 45% of what it would have cost us to do J class on PER-LHR. The Qantas J product is better than CX's, but not worth almost double the price.
We would have tried the PER-LHR direct, but the cost simply puts us off.
By flying J class with CX, so flying PER-HKG-LHR, we save almost 45% of what it would have cost us to do J class on PER-LHR. The Qantas J product is better than CX's, but not worth almost double the price.
#25
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Australia
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I randomly chanced upon a CX sale and we bought I class tickets, PER-HKG-LHR and then CDG-HKG-PER, for two adults and two children (both under the age of 12) for just over $18K (Australian dollars). We also get to stopover each way in Hong Kong, which for us helps break up the journey.
When I booked this fare almost five months ago, no other full service carrier could match this or even come close. From memory, I think Qantas and the gulf carriers were all priced around the $30k mark.
#26
Join Date: Mar 2019
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I waste my life online watching for discounted fares.
I randomly chanced upon a CX sale and we bought I class tickets, PER-HKG-LHR and then CDG-HKG-PER, for two adults and two children (both under the age of 12) for just over $18K (Australian dollars). We also get to stopover each way in Hong Kong, which for us helps break up the journey.
When I booked this fare almost five months ago, no other full service carrier could match this or even come close. From memory, I think Qantas and the gulf carriers were all priced around the $30k mark.
I randomly chanced upon a CX sale and we bought I class tickets, PER-HKG-LHR and then CDG-HKG-PER, for two adults and two children (both under the age of 12) for just over $18K (Australian dollars). We also get to stopover each way in Hong Kong, which for us helps break up the journey.
When I booked this fare almost five months ago, no other full service carrier could match this or even come close. From memory, I think Qantas and the gulf carriers were all priced around the $30k mark.
#29
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#30
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