Singapore Lounges [Master Thread 2018-]
Aug 28, 2018, 11:35 pm
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It's bean counter stuff - they provide a discreet special service to First PAX, CL & P1. Mere WP who are in the know simply don't use the lounge - at LHR T3 there are the CX F, AA FL and BA FL options, all far better than the QP.
At SIN there are less options, really only the BA lounge (and EK when open), much better than QF's.
At AKL I am not looking forward to the upcoming destruction of the Emerald cupboard.
At SIN there are less options, really only the BA lounge (and EK when open), much better than QF's.
At AKL I am not looking forward to the upcoming destruction of the Emerald cupboard.
Aug 29, 2018, 12:56 am
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I suspect @shillard is referring to First PAX using SIN drifting away to airlines that actually provide a First Lounge there.
Aug 29, 2018, 1:31 am
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I suspect @shillard is referring to First PAX using SIN drifting away to airlines that actually provide a First Lounge there.
Aug 29, 2018, 3:41 pm
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QF no doubt feels their competitive offering for F isnt dependant on a F lounge in Singapore - I can see why - onboard service, seat, scheduling and network much mroe important than a lounge you'll be sitting in for a relatively short period of time!
Aug 30, 2018, 1:41 am
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For a short stopover such as SIN, all that really matters is having a shower. If you’re flying LHR-SYD in F and having whatever you want to eat and drink, having even more in the SIN lounge isn’t (IMHO) a priority. But, if you are originating in SIN, then there is a case for a F lounge like those found in SYD or MEL with the same access rules.
Sep 1, 2018, 8:15 pm
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Out of the 28 passengers each day who use QF F via Singapore I doubt many of those will change their flights due to the lack of a F class lounge in Singapore, something they'll only be using for about an hour. Particularly if they are corporate travellers, if a F class lounge was that important they'd already be flying SQ.
QF no doubt feels their competitive offering for F isnt dependant on a F lounge in Singapore - I can see why - onboard service, seat, scheduling and network much mroe important than a lounge you'll be sitting in for a relatively short period of time!
QF no doubt feels their competitive offering for F isnt dependant on a F lounge in Singapore - I can see why - onboard service, seat, scheduling and network much mroe important than a lounge you'll be sitting in for a relatively short period of time!
EK is also a decent alternative.
Sep 1, 2018, 10:07 pm
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you can be rest assured those flying CX are no longer using QF lounge... i been a culprit of it but the terminal transfer just aint worth it, even if there was a F section at some point in future... lets face not like any of us will direct business away from QF just cuz of lack of F lounge... we winge but we know it and they know it
Sep 2, 2018, 1:01 am
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If only Qantas had those items then
Sep 2, 2018, 4:57 pm
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Out of the 28 passengers each day who use QF F via Singapore I doubt many of those will change their flights due to the lack of a F class lounge in Singapore, something they'll only be using for about an hour. Particularly if they are corporate travellers, if a F class lounge was that important they'd already be flying SQ.
QF no doubt feels their competitive offering for F isnt dependant on a F lounge in Singapore - I can see why - onboard service, seat, scheduling and network much mroe important than a lounge you'll be sitting in for a relatively short period of time!
QF no doubt feels their competitive offering for F isnt dependant on a F lounge in Singapore - I can see why - onboard service, seat, scheduling and network much mroe important than a lounge you'll be sitting in for a relatively short period of time!
To consider:
The F capacity of these flights ain't the same as the number of fare-paying F passengers (and whenever I've travelled QF F the cabin has had multiple staff members enjoying the free / discounted ride aside from those upgraded from business etc).
Passengers may want to use the lounge for longer than an hour - especially if connecting from the MEL flight to LHR (IIRC a 5 hour connection the last time I looked at the MEl-SIN-LHR timetable for F) - then those on stopovers in SIN may get to the airport earlier than one hour in advance.
But, yes, an F class fare-paying passer with any sense would book the better product on SQ with attendant multiple daily flights for flexibility way beyond the QF offering, plus other F class destinations in Europe (CDG, FRA, ZRH), widespread network, world class service.
QF has boxed itself into a corner - a niche product with only one daily F class flight in and out of LHR (entire Europe for that matter) - a 10 year old hard product with no plans for generational renewal.
QF 's competitiveness relies on the parochialism of its customers and the presumption on the part of those customers that the QF FF is their only option as Aussies.
The day when the EK Alliance falters, QF is in big trouble...
Sep 2, 2018, 11:50 pm
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i would say cheapest and effective solution is for QF to pay SQ for access to their F lounge, offerred only to F fare revenue pax matter of fact i think they should encourage reciplical arrangement for revenue pax
Sep 3, 2018, 11:40 pm
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The SQ F lounge is not that great, not terribly different to the feel and catering of the EK lounge (as opposed to the "The Private Room", and hell would freeze over before SQ grants anyone other than their own F pax acccess to that lounge - not even F passengers of their alliance/codeshare partners - LX and LH - can access that lounge). And that's putting aside the journey from T1 to T3 and back.
Sep 5, 2018, 5:09 am
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