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QF- no checking of luggage separate itineraries from 1 Sep [2016 some exceptions]

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Old Jun 16, 16, 8:23 pm
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It doesn't matter who it is that you choose to deal with, both are liable ( see above ). The CAA is only recommending what it thinks is the best way to approach - the CAA does not write the regulation

With joint liability, QF will be liable regardless of who you choose to deal with and the airlines will likely deal with it internally

By not checking bags through, QF is limiting its liability solely to the delivery of bags at the end of the contracted journey

With a multiple itinerary QF A-B and AA B-C , at B if bags are collected , QF's responsibiliy and liability ends. The bags are then checked in for B-C and AA has sole liability for that.

If QF checks the bags from A-C via B, it has liability even once its part of the journey is over
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Old Jun 16, 16, 8:32 pm
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So QF assume contractual liability over the second PNR simply by tagging the bag through to the final destination?

The ticket (which forms no part of the second PNR) is surely the contracted document, not the bag-tag??

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Old Jun 16, 16, 8:35 pm
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So QF assume contractual liability over the second PNR simply by tagging the bag through to the final destination?
Yes. It is liable for the baggage even though it is getting no revenue from the journey
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Old Jun 16, 16, 8:47 pm
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Interesting.

I'd have thought QF would be excluded by paragraph 3 of Section 1:

Carriage to be performed by several successive carriers is deemed, for the purposes of this Convention, to be one undivided carriage if it has been regarded by the parties as a single operation,

Surely QF would argue that courtesy of two PNRs there are two operations??

Particularly - on the (lack of revenue for the second PNR) - that the first paragraph of that Section states:

This Convention applies to all international carriage of persons, baggage or cargo performed by aircraft for reward. (my emphasis)

But then I'm no lawyer.

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Old Jun 16, 16, 8:59 pm
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By accepting the baggage for onwards travel, the originating carrier assumes liability
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Old Jun 16, 16, 9:27 pm
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By accepting the baggage for onwards travel, the originating carrier assumes liability
Where in the Montreal Convention does it say that?

Specifically Article 40 restricts the operating (as opposed to contracting) carrier solely to the carriage it performs.

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Old Jun 16, 16, 9:34 pm
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Once the baggage is accepted, it is a single operation.

Carriage to be performed by several successive carriers is deemed, for the purposes of this Convention, to be one undivided carriage if it has been regarded by the parties as a single operation, whether it had been agreed upon under the form of a single contract or of a series of contracts
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Old Jun 16, 16, 9:41 pm
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But there is NO contract with the initiating carrier for the second PNR and moreover paragraph 2 of Article 36 states:

2. In the case of carriage of this nature (successive carriage), the passenger or any person entitled
to compensation in respect of him or her can take action only against the
carrier which performed the carriage during which the accident or the delay
occurred, save in the case where, by express agreement, the first carrier has
assumed liability for the whole journey.


In my mind merely tagging the bag is not "express agreement" - but then again, I'm no lawyer.

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Old Jun 16, 16, 11:07 pm
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Read paragraph 3 ( as posted above )

Article 36 refers to passengers, cargo and baggage

paragraph 3 refers to cargo and baggage
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Old Jun 17, 16, 3:27 am
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Yes. It is liable for the baggage even though it is getting no revenue from the journey
QF is getting revenue for the journey. The passenger is choosing QF for the connecting segment (with profits to QF) rather than a competitor.
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QF is getting revenue for the journey. The passenger is choosing QF for the connecting segment (with profits to QF) rather than a competitor.
which they may well do regardless
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Old Jul 4, 16, 2:05 am
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Anyway. QF MEL was happy to check through for my separate PNR CX flight as of yesterday. And issue BP for my CX flight too.
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Anyway. QF MEL was happy to check through for my separate PNR CX flight as of yesterday. And issue BP for my CX flight too.
As expected, as today is before 1st Sept

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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi View Post
As expected, as today is before 1st Sept

Thread title: Qantas - no checking of luggage separate itineraries from 1 Sep [some exceptions] .
I know this has been asserted by the title of this thread. And Ausbt has quoted a Qantas spokesperson.

I'm not aware QF has published this directly in writing tho (c.f. CX Agent's notice 1 June 2016) so I thought a data point might be helpful.
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Originally Posted by percysmith View Post
I know this has been asserted by the title of this thread. And Ausbt has quoted a Qantas spokesperson.

I'm not aware QF has published this directly in writing tho (c.f. CX Agent's notice 1 June 2016) so I thought a data point might be helpful.
Qantas agents notice:

http://www.qantas.com/agents/dyn/qf/info/201606/0621

Qantas will be implementing the new oneworld ticketing arrangements on 1 September 2016.From 1 July, Qantas check-in agents will be informing customers checking in on separate oneworld tickets the policy has changed and that for travel from 1 September, they will need to book connections in a single booking to be eligible for through check-in to their final destination.
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