Dave Noble

iirc, the airline refusing boarding , refused boarding to someone travelling on staff travel , where there is a dress code rather than a regular fare paying passenger

Platy

yep that's my recollection...

DownUnderFlyer

[/mod hat] Please, stay on topic. And keep it relevant to Qantas. [/mod hat]

serfty

"speaking" of "chicken and egg", that's what this thread has deteriorated to.

There are so many points, facets, opinions and observations repeated and repeated more than one throughout it's now 229 posts that it is becoming boring.

LukeO9

Why does the form of dress designate correctness?
We have had one recent post attempting to answer this question, but it introduced extraneous issues like odor and body-part-exposure in an attempt to categorically connect these unpleasantries to a particular dress.
What is it about the dress?

LukeO9

In context of this thread...why?
Is the airline lounge a fashion police?

wolf72

I think it boils down to the following:

-Do you want a lounge to maintain some standards of cleanliness, hygiene and also comfort for all passengers.

-The minority who turn up in shorts, "bintang" type singlets and flip flops are paying customers BUT, maybe, in their culture, and this is important, they are used to dressing that way day to day outside of work. It's their culture, their habit and their character, be it right or wrong when walking into a lounge or on to a business class section on a flight.

-The average business class traveller dresses with some sensible standards: either jeans, slacks or bermuda shorts in khaki, a polo/collared shirt or round neck tee, slip on docker type shoes or laced sports shoes or in some cases, comfortable flip flops for the long journey ahead because they are seasoned traveller's.

So, would it be fair to draw the line on this as far as "bintang type singlets"and beach wear vs normal, everyday dress as a comparison when it comes to some basic rules for everyone to adhere to when wanting to access the lounge?

Most countries, irrespective if it was the UK, Germany, France, Singapore, Malaysia or Brunei require all passengers to dress appropriately with some simple standards without going over the top and demanding leather shoes/corporate type wear.

Should it not be the customer's responsibility to adhere to these simple rules and to respect the rules irrespective if he or she has purchased a business class ticket?

LTN Phobia

I really would prefer it if QF removed from their lounges:

1) Noisy 'call for flights'. Just put up lots of FIDS, scrap announcements and give us a quieter environment

2) 1) may even help to reduce the volume of annoying loud mobile phone talkers

3) Ban talking on a device on speakers completely, with punishment being confiscation of devices until they leave the lounge

4) Volume control zapping seat. The seat gives you a zap on the backside when you exceed a certain number of dBs

Much more useful for creating a better environment than 'dress code'!

Dress codes can be advantageous (I don't particularly want to see bits hanging out unless it's a really nice sight ) but my preference is for 1)-4) above if I had to choose between a dress code and 1)-4) - by a mile!

BadgerBoi

None of this is unique to Qantas.

Last night in the lounge in BNE I witnessed a staff member addressing point 2. I didn't make the complaint but I was grateful that the particular loud expat (they're very often the worst) was convinced to behave.

Personally I'd appreciate a ban on perfumes in the lounge - what on earth is it that makes some people think that smelling that they've spent an hour rolling around in an Avon factory is a good idea?

wolf72

Sorry, a bit naive here. What's an expat?

BadgerBoi

Expatriate, someone who leaves their country of birth and heads off to make a life in another country. They often become a bit superior when they return "home", affecting the accent of their adopted country.

To my shame, my fellow Australians are often the worst offenders, it's not unknown for an Aussie to head off to Bali for two weeks and return with a West Coast US accent.

The smugly repulsive Kathy Lette is a perfect example.

wolf72

Ah, thanks for the explanation. I now understand what you meant.

Annalisa12

[QUOTE=Platy;28149613]...unless, of course, one or more QF Club customers suddenly vented their frothy feedback and demanded the expulsion of the high-paying thong-wearing customer from the lounge?!

...a few days ago I flew HNL-BNE and my travelling companion had on...shock,horror...leggings for comfort; I was conscious of a recent case of an airline refusing boarding to a lady with leggings and thought thank goodness we have spare pair of shorts at hand just in case. somebody went stupid about dress rule...[/QUOTET

The lady in leggings was on a staff pass and with that pass they had dress regulations. Leggings were not acceptable for staff. The airline said leggings are acceptable for other travellers.

Platy

[QUOTE=Annalisa12;28153387]
Yep.

But the point is...where do you draw the line?

QF has put itself in the absurd position that someone could be dressed OK to sit in a business or first class cabin (or economy for that matter), but for reasons not disclosed (but "blamed" on the wishes of an unknown proportion of passengers providing feedback, if you, like some herein, believe any of the nonsense that QF spouts publicly), that isn't OK in the lounge.

If it is true, that some passengers are so offended by certain dress items that they should be excluded from the lounge, why aren't they also refused boarding? Surely the same sense of self entitled offence by the complaining passengers would also apply on board?

In fact surely worse in the cabin, since in the lounge you can choose to sit well away from someone whose dress sense offends you, but you have less choice on board!

IF you are going to ban certain clothing items, then QF should be transparent and make this very clear at the time of purchase of a business or first class ticket. OK, you can wear thongs and a singlet on board, but not during your lounge visit.

(Oh and as far as staff travel is concerned, QF should require all travelling staff to be in uniform.

Then us paying passengers can see who they are, and how many there are in the cabin, and thus see to what extent those of us who are faced with paying over inflated premium class airfares are subsidising the airline's choice to ferry their employees in premium cabins (unlike VA) and see whether they snare the best seats when we get moved around by the lounge dragon at the last minute...).l

...if you are dressed fit to travel on the aircraft you should be fit to enter the lounge. Period. It's not a hard concept. The pages of nonsense eon this thread proves the point - QF, has once again, lost the plot with its dress policy...


...there are so many other aspects of the lounge experience likely to "offend" or "displease": personally I can't stand the drivel that spouts from the SkyNews screens...oh, do you think QF would remove SkyNews from the lounge if I and others wrote to say that I find their right wing biased "news" coverage offensive to my sense of democratic values?!

LukeO9

None of these focus on 'dress' per se.
Neither does the rest of the post, which includes problematic words like 'sensible standards' and 'normal'.