Future of Qantas
Feb 27, 2014, 2:31 am
#76
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'Fact sheet' which breaks down all the important parts of the announcements today:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/209513859/Qantas-Fact-Sheet
http://www.scribd.com/doc/209513859/Qantas-Fact-Sheet
Feb 27, 2014, 2:33 am
#77
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Or move both the MEL departure closer to midnight AND the departure from LHR to mid morning or lunchtime. With this, it frees up one A380 from the LHR services if you turn around SYD originating services to MEL and vice versa. Not sure how that would impact LAX services though.
Feb 27, 2014, 2:37 am
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Feb 27, 2014, 2:55 am
#79
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There will be fewer domestic widebody flights.
Feb 27, 2014, 3:06 am
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Qantas Domestic will increase utilisation of narrow-body aircraft, allowing Airbus A330 aircraft in the domestic market to concentrate solely on East-West services and peak services on the Sydney-Melbourne-Brisbane triangle.
Feb 27, 2014, 3:46 am
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Feb 27, 2014, 3:48 am
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Or move both the MEL departure closer to midnight AND the departure from LHR to mid morning or lunchtime. With this, it frees up one A380 from the LHR services if you turn around SYD originating services to MEL and vice versa. Not sure how that would impact LAX services though.
I'm still concerned that AJ's supposed tilt towards Asia never really happened. Unattractive flight times ahoy and consequently more cuts to come. I'm also have a feeling that whilst JQ is arguably the most successful LCC attached to a legacy to date, whether the dual focus has actually helped to kill both. Initially JQ was eating into QF, but now it seems that perhaps it has also possibly eaten into itself.
Feb 27, 2014, 3:49 am
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EK won't care. They have no financial stake in the relationship and are probably enjoying the feed QF are giving them. QF's perilous state, even if the feeds dwindle probably have little impact.
Feb 27, 2014, 4:00 am
#85
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They said in December that they were looking at 300m losses, they announced 252m. Overestimate, or gains since they mentioned "300m"?
Feb 27, 2014, 4:14 am
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On another matter, AJ was interviewed with AJ on the ABC 7:30 Report this evening. There is one particular part that I found interesting and indeed directly refutes what many 'pundits' have been quoted: (Qantas chief gives no guarantees on keeping jobs in Australia - 27/02/2014)
SARAH FERGUSON: ... the response of many analysts today is that this announcement of yours was not strong enough. If we look, for example, just at the international arm, part of the business which is losing huge sums of money, you haven't taken the hard decisions to cut the loss-making routes. Why should you get handouts if you're not prepared - you and your board are not prepared to take those decisions?
ALAN JOYCE: But we have. I mean, if you think of the routes that we have taken out, we've withdrawn two of our services to London, we've withdrawn from Frankfurt, we've withdrawn from Auckland, LA. I could keep on listing...
SARAH FERGUSON: Yes, but you haven't attacked the big loss routes in South America, in South Africa.
ALAN JOYCE: But you don't know the route profitability of Qantas. And can I tell you that every route that's left generates cash for us. ...
ALAN JOYCE: But we have. I mean, if you think of the routes that we have taken out, we've withdrawn two of our services to London, we've withdrawn from Frankfurt, we've withdrawn from Auckland, LA. I could keep on listing...
SARAH FERGUSON: Yes, but you haven't attacked the big loss routes in South America, in South Africa.
ALAN JOYCE: But you don't know the route profitability of Qantas. And can I tell you that every route that's left generates cash for us. ...
Feb 27, 2014, 4:15 am
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Call me a lazy dog, is there anywhere in the breakdown of the talk by Alan, that mentions bringing in an annual fee for the QFF or QL (Qantas Loyalty) program, similar to Air Asia's Big?
Tongue in cheek, or in reality (one day-look at what happened to Ansett), I will keep flying QF till the last flight flies out of Adelaide, and fly JQ or VA or TT back.
Tongue in cheek, or in reality (one day-look at what happened to Ansett), I will keep flying QF till the last flight flies out of Adelaide, and fly JQ or VA or TT back.
Feb 27, 2014, 4:41 am
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Did he really actually say "we have withdrawn from Auckland, LA"? Is that the NZ Auckland?
How many places in the world are name Auckland, apart from the one in NZ.
How many places in the world are name Auckland, apart from the one in NZ.
Feb 27, 2014, 4:44 am
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Feb 27, 2014, 4:50 am
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I pulled the old MEL-LHR flight times out of a pdf timetable stored on the internet archive from early 2010
QF29
MEL-HKG 2250 0550+1
HKG-LHR 0735 1330
QF30
LHR-HKG 1220 0710+1
HKG-MEL 0900 2000
QF9
MEL-SIN 1530 2115
SIN-LHR 2305 0540+1
QF10
LHR-SIN 2205 1755+1
SIN-MEL 1945 0445+2
Using something like the old 29/30 times would allow for each aircraft to trade routes at LHR and remain there for ~6 hours each instead of the ~16 hours they do now.
QF29
MEL-HKG 2250 0550+1
HKG-LHR 0735 1330
QF30
LHR-HKG 1220 0710+1
HKG-MEL 0900 2000
QF9
MEL-SIN 1530 2115
SIN-LHR 2305 0540+1
QF10
LHR-SIN 2205 1755+1
SIN-MEL 1945 0445+2
Using something like the old 29/30 times would allow for each aircraft to trade routes at LHR and remain there for ~6 hours each instead of the ~16 hours they do now.
