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ALL QF's 330's to get lay flight Business seating - Including Domestic

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Old Jan 8, 15, 3:05 am
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Originally Posted by djsflynn View Post

Okay, kicking things off again: t
Sure David, I would love to fly this new product, but with that in mind it would be very helpful to know the following:
  • How many aircraft in the A330 fleet have the new seats?
  • What is the roll out schedule?
  • When does the MEL-SIN service kick off?
  • Which flight numbers on the PER-SYD and MEL-SYD transcon are currently serviced by the new product (as far as I can tell only one per day)?
  • Has QF adopted a policy of blocking out the new product from reward seat redemption (it seems so on the days I want to travel across a broad date range in the "quiet" month of Feb)?
    At what point will the QF schedule match the VA schedule for lie flat product?
    I'm looking at doing a SYD-HNL later in 2015 - when will this route be serviced by the new product?

As someone booking transon flights to PER over the next two months it looks like I am way better off sticking with VIRGIN AUSTRALIA with a guaranteed flat bed and giving QF a miss? Wouldn't you agree with that conclusion from the perspective of a frequent flyer?

That said the new product does look awesome and i would love to try it on the basis of your various reviews - I just don't think I have any chance of experiencing it on the typical CNS-PER return routings....perhaps your insider information can guide myself and other readers on these basic questions...

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Old Jan 8, 15, 3:56 am
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ALL QF's 330's to get lay flight Business seating - Including Domestic

Platy, it looks like at the moment it's scheduled on QF575 and QF583 daily along with those respective returns from PER
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Old Jan 8, 15, 6:41 am
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Old Jan 8, 15, 10:45 am
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How many aircraft in the A330 fleet have the new seats?
Two (one A332 domestic already flying, one A333 international which is very soon to fly)

What is the roll out schedule?
Five by March, 11 by August (both a mix of A332 and A333) - I'm told that the second A332 will be done end of Jan, the third end of Feb.

When does the MEL-SIN service kick off?
Qantas has previously said "mid-January", I'm not at liberty to share any more specific dates.

Which flight numbers on the PER-SYD and MEL-SYD transcon are currently serviced by the new product (as far as I can tell only one per day)?
Don't know (but with only one A332BS right now, it's not gonna be many).

Has QF adopted a policy of blocking out the new product from reward seat redemption (it seems so on the days I want to travel across a broad date range in the "quiet" month of Feb)?
Don't know.

At what point will the QF schedule match the VA schedule for lie flat product?
Don't know, and it depends on how many A332s Qantas has done by the time Virgin's A332 upgrade is complete.

I'm looking at doing a SYD-HNL later in 2015 - when will this route be serviced by the new product?
Qantas hasn't confirmed timing for any A330BS routes except MEL-SIN ('mid-Jan') and BNE-NRT (Aug 1).

As someone booking transon flights to PER over the next two months it looks like I am way better off sticking with VIRGIN AUSTRALIA with a guaranteed flat bed and giving QF a miss?
If you want the best transcon seat then yes, for now Virgin Australia will give you 100% on any given route.
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Old Jan 8, 15, 1:55 pm
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Originally Posted by jozdemir View Post
Platy, it looks like at the moment it's scheduled on QF575 and QF583 daily along with those respective returns from PER
Many thanks.

I think I am seeing the new products on the following flights in early Feb around my own dates of travel (I think it may changeover to the QF575 etc thereafter)...

SYD PER
QF569 1630 1830
5/2/15, 6/2/15

MEL PER
QF485 0835 0940
5/2/15
QF769 1305 1410
7/2/15

PER SYD
QF580 1110 1820
9/2/15, 10/2/15, 11/2/15
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Old Jan 8, 15, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by djsflynn View Post
How many aircraft in the A330 fleet have the new seats?
Two (one A332 domestic already flying, one A333 international which is very soon to fly)

What is the roll out schedule?
Five by March, 11 by August (both a mix of A332 and A333) - I'm told that the second A332 will be done end of Jan, the third end of Feb.

When does the MEL-SIN service kick off?
Qantas has previously said "mid-January", I'm not at liberty to share any more specific dates.

Which flight numbers on the PER-SYD and MEL-SYD transcon are currently serviced by the new product (as far as I can tell only one per day)?
Don't know (but with only one A332BS right now, it's not gonna be many).

Has QF adopted a policy of blocking out the new product from reward seat redemption (it seems so on the days I want to travel across a broad date range in the "quiet" month of Feb)?
Don't know.

At what point will the QF schedule match the VA schedule for lie flat product?
Don't know, and it depends on how many A332s Qantas has done by the time Virgin's A332 upgrade is complete.

I'm looking at doing a SYD-HNL later in 2015 - when will this route be serviced by the new product?
Qantas hasn't confirmed timing for any A330BS routes except MEL-SIN ('mid-Jan') and BNE-NRT (Aug 1).

As someone booking transon flights to PER over the next two months it looks like I am way better off sticking with VIRGIN AUSTRALIA with a guaranteed flat bed and giving QF a miss?
If you want the best transcon seat then yes, for now Virgin Australia will give you 100% on any given route.
Many thanks indeed, David, for the heads up.
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Old Jan 8, 15, 3:00 pm
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Will be looking to fly BNE-SIN (and onto LHR) in June so fingers crossed they focus on the SIN routes as previously mentioned in AusBT.
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Old Jan 8, 15, 5:02 pm
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David, is there any mechanical linkage between the end of the seat, when fully flat, to the footstool that would eventually stop the seat end from sagging, as has happened with the Skybed IIs?
I'm also interested in J upgrade availability with the new seats.
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Old Jan 8, 15, 5:35 pm
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Originally Posted by grov View Post
David, is there any mechanical linkage between the end of the seat, when fully flat, to the footstool that would eventually stop the seat end from sagging, as has happened with the Skybed IIs?
I'm also interested in J upgrade availability with the new seats.
If you look at the pics the seat slides up the slope and is supported by a raised section, preventing any droop, so essentially Yes

This pic (from the AusBT review) shows it best:


As for upgrade availability - difficult to tell with only 1 of 28 aircraft converted and only flying for just over a week
but there are less J seats per plane, which will undoubtedly mean less upgrades
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Old Jan 8, 15, 9:22 pm
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Originally Posted by grov View Post
David, is there any mechanical linkage between the end of the seat, when fully flat, to the footstool that would eventually stop the seat end from sagging, as has happened with the Skybed IIs?
Assuming you mean 'physical' linkage - i.e. the end of the seat sitting on the footstool - I didn't crawl around that end of the seat-extended-into-a-bed during my SYD-PER flight, but will see if I have time on my QFi flight to do this (without getting in the way of or alarming passengers!).
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Old Jan 9, 15, 1:07 am
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Originally Posted by grov View Post
I'm also interested in J upgrade availability with the new seats.
I have tracked down the transcon flights with the new seating for a 2-3 week period in early/mid February.

I cannot find a single award seat in business class, even on days when every other flight on a route does have plenty of award seat inventory.

This raises the question of a strategy by QF of not releasing any award seats on the aircraft with the new seating (although this may not be the explanation). Others might find availability if my suspicions are ill founded.

I am not paying $2,000 for a one way transcon just to try out a seat, so unless there is opportunity to use the current business sale fare of a little of $1000 from PER to AKL via east coast, the new seat will have to wait until the fleet has been substantially refitted and we are debating the norm rather than the rare exception.

Such is the difference between the fanfare/excitement on such things generated by the highly effective QF PR machine and the reality for the frequent flyer.
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Old Jan 9, 15, 1:28 am
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To be fair, who do you think that Qantas will be trying to target - upgraders or those paying for business class?
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Old Jan 9, 15, 2:43 am
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I assume QF see a selling opportunity with these new seats (as said earlier). That makes the FF point redemption "charity" a certainty for the old seats.
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Old Jan 9, 15, 12:39 pm
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To be fair, who do you think that Qantas will be trying to target - upgraders or those paying for business class?
I agree with you David and og.

I'm simply saying that IF they have decided to "block" the renovated birds it might be nice to know, if only to avoid wasting time tracking down the rare birds and searching for inventory, which simply doesn't exist.

I do expect QF to be conservative in providing reward opportunities to their "loyal" customer base, which is why I'm happy to have spent my 800,000 QF point stash over the last 9 months and would use 17,500 AAdvantage points rather than >50,000 QF points to travel between PER and CNS with or without the new seating.

In terms of revenue inventory, if I decide to pay for seats, now there is a new product, I would want to be sure of accessing it, given it is greatly superior to the domestic standard (accepting some flights may be Intl config) - there are two very different quality levels for the same price as the fleet transitions. Otherwise, VA is the better choice for lie flat seating because it's on all flights.

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Old Jan 9, 15, 3:45 pm
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