Qantas International & Domestic grounded
Oct 29, 2011, 1:01 am
#16
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As a Travel agent this is the worse thing that could have happened.
We regularly book QF domestically and internationally for both leisure and corporate clients and needless to say this is a disaster.
Next week is going to be painful.
We regularly book QF domestically and internationally for both leisure and corporate clients and needless to say this is a disaster.
Next week is going to be painful.
Oct 29, 2011, 1:03 am
#17
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What a fantastic and bold move by an airline that has been besieged by a bunch of b!tchy unionists.
God I love a corporate cat fight. QF moved their piece into checkmate - good on them.
God I love a corporate cat fight. QF moved their piece into checkmate - good on them.
Oct 29, 2011, 1:07 am
#18
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We are booked CNS/SYD next Sat on QF then JQ SYD/HNL not sure where we stand? (info says entire fleet ex Tasman flights). Might have to rebook to SYD with VA and hope JQ are still flying.
Oct 29, 2011, 1:10 am
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The call centre will be crazy starting from now no doubt.
Oct 29, 2011, 1:11 am
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Oct 29, 2011, 1:15 am
#21
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Am heading overseas on Friday...thank god I am not booked on QF.
Going to be a .... fight that's for sure.
Oct 29, 2011, 1:20 am
#22
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Joyce will survive this you only need to look at the shareholder votes from the AGM. 95%+ supported all resolutions including Joyce renumeration. QF won't be permitted by the Government to stop flying for long, this is just to force Fair Work to make a decision.
Oct 29, 2011, 1:21 am
#23
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I wouldn't say that this is a win by Qantas nor would I say that the other side are just a bunch of b!tchy(sic) unionists ; neither side seems to have a moral high ground in the dispute
Oct 29, 2011, 1:21 am
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I'm going to give up flying soon -
- booked Sunday (6th) on QF to Thailand.... looks like neither will work out all that well
Here's hoping.
- booked Sunday (6th) on QF to Thailand.... looks like neither will work out all that well
Here's hoping.
Oct 29, 2011, 1:24 am
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Oct 29, 2011, 1:24 am
#26
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I got a call from QF about two weeks ago inquiring why I have not flown with them in in last quarter. I fly at least 2 x (JFK/LHR) each month and multiple domestic sectors. My reply was I am flying other carriers until the current uncertainty is sorted out.
I am assuming I am not alone in this.
I am normally sympathetic to union demands and have contributed significantly to past campaigns such as the anti-work choices campaign. But I also understand economics.
By far QF pilots are the best paid in the world. In some cases they are paid double the wage+allowances (take home cash) than airlines competing on the same route. For example SQ A380 pilots earn around $SG 200k while the same QF pilot earns well over $400k in salary plus allowances.
US Pilots earn significantly less with domestic pilots earning as little as $USD 18k
Even though I do not think Alan Joyce is the the best person for the job the high labour costs have very little is not a problem of his own making. Successive QF CEO's have passed on this problem until it has to be faced now.
This in many ways different from the US airlines having to renegotiate their labour contracts in the last few years. The difference is the US airlines waited until chapter 11 bankruptcy to do this and by waiting destroyed all the shareholder equity in the business. With this in mind I am not surprised 96% of the shareholders backed a restructures now rather than waiting for administration. At least today they are looking like they may get 30c-40c in the dollar invested 5 years ago. In administration they are likely to see zero.
May be if AIPA pilots (QF) offered to work under the same terms as the VIPA pilots (QF) they would have more public support.
Either way if QF goes out if business the people to loose out would be the employees and shareholders.
As for us customers there will always be another airline.
Oct 29, 2011, 1:27 am
#27
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Oct 29, 2011, 1:29 am
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Looks like QF12 LAX-SYD got away before the announcement, but rumor is that at least one of the later flights was canceled after passengers had already boarded...
Oct 29, 2011, 1:32 am
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Oct 29, 2011, 1:33 am
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I hope for a speedy resolution for all concerned. Unfortunately I'm not sure that the current Australian Federal Government has the brains or balls to sort this schmozzle