Qantas International & Domestic grounded
Oct 29, 2011, 2:55 am
#91
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The discussion goes very much who is going to win and who is going to loose, the unions or management.
But definitely on the looser side are the passengers. They gonna incur additional cost, loss of business, loss of value time with their loved ones. And they are never compensated, let alone reconciled. My sympathy is with them, damaged by the ruthless union leaders and management beyond any means.
But definitely on the looser side are the passengers. They gonna incur additional cost, loss of business, loss of value time with their loved ones. And they are never compensated, let alone reconciled. My sympathy is with them, damaged by the ruthless union leaders and management beyond any means.
I should probably be looking to get rebooked to BA16 and get to SYD somehow.
Oct 29, 2011, 2:57 am
#93
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Joyce is doing a "Murdoch"
Alan Joyce's approach reminds me of the lockout that Rupert Murdoch did to UK print unions over their demands many years ago. He locked out and eventually sacked hordes of newspaper employees while simultaneously activating "Fortress Wapping" - a newish automated printing press. Murdoch won and the unions lost.
Joyce is doing the equivalent. Unless the unions cave in he will close Qantas permanently and Jetstar - his "fortress Wapping" - will become the main brand. Displaced Qantas employees at best will be offered the conditions of Jetstar and take it or leave it. Qantas as a corporation will not collapse, just the Qantas brand as a worst case.
Along the way the incompetent Australian Government will further damage itself as its "Fair Work Australia" is exposed as the union dominated front that it is.
Joyce is doing the equivalent. Unless the unions cave in he will close Qantas permanently and Jetstar - his "fortress Wapping" - will become the main brand. Displaced Qantas employees at best will be offered the conditions of Jetstar and take it or leave it. Qantas as a corporation will not collapse, just the Qantas brand as a worst case.
Along the way the incompetent Australian Government will further damage itself as its "Fair Work Australia" is exposed as the union dominated front that it is.
Oct 29, 2011, 2:57 am
#94
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Well, definitely not my view. The changes to get a seat in the MUC and FRA SEN lounges at peak hours are absolutely zero from my experience (using them about twice to three times a month). The waiting list for showers in these lounges is generally between 6 and 8 hours (!). The food is fine, if you are in to beer and pretzels ... So I'd go for QF Business lounge any day, without ever thinking twice.
Also in the air, the QF product is far superior to the LH one. And on StarAlliance, none of the other airlines has access to your itinerary, not even the LH subsidiaries such as LX. So you'll under any circumstance have to call their call center in Germany ...
I can understand your frustration with the strike action, but I totally disagree on your comments re the product.
Also in the air, the QF product is far superior to the LH one. And on StarAlliance, none of the other airlines has access to your itinerary, not even the LH subsidiaries such as LX. So you'll under any circumstance have to call their call center in Germany ...
I can understand your frustration with the strike action, but I totally disagree on your comments re the product.
As far as product quality is involved, QF beats LH hands down IMO. LX is a bit better than LH but not on par with QF either.
Oct 29, 2011, 2:57 am
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Maybe he could have just ensured that they installed video screens and didn't try to force passengers to hub at SYD, LAX and LHR when they wanted to?
Qantas International is where it is because of many years of bad management decisions.
Oct 29, 2011, 2:57 am
#96
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Bring it ONN!!!
Oct 29, 2011, 2:58 am
#97
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Oct 29, 2011, 2:58 am
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You could just try looking at SQ or EK or JQ non-stop to Singapore. SQ and Ek seem to have plenty of availability for wed; JQ leaves at 1645 and EK at 1900 so both within a reasonable timeframe to QF's 1700 schedule
Oct 29, 2011, 2:58 am
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Listen, I think it's a bit early to start making alternative arrangements. As noted above, the Fair Work Commission meeting tonight will have an outcome on the next step.
This meeting will also give a good indication of how long this goes on for. If the order to suspend action is granted by the commission, they could be back flying as early as tomorrow - as the grounding and lockout has been done by QF in accordance with the provisions of the Fair Work Act.
This meeting will also give a good indication of how long this goes on for. If the order to suspend action is granted by the commission, they could be back flying as early as tomorrow - as the grounding and lockout has been done by QF in accordance with the provisions of the Fair Work Act.
So I'd rather be on top of things and have a contingency plan in place.
Oct 29, 2011, 2:58 am
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A few silly ideas but mainly through an absolute total lack of action.
Oct 29, 2011, 2:59 am
#101
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Alan Joyce's approach reminds me of the lockout that Rupert Murdoch did to UK print unions over their demands many years ago. He locked out and eventually sacked hordes of newspaper employees while simultaneously activating "Fortress Wapping" - a newish automated printing press. Murdoch won and the unions lost.
Joyce is doing the equivalent. Unless the unions cave in he will close Qantas permanently and Jetstar - his "fortress Wapping" - will become the main brand. Displaced Qantas employees at best will be offered the conditions of Jetstar and take it or leave it. Qantas as a corporation will not collapse, just the Qantas brand as a worst case.
Along the way the incompetent Australian Government will further damage itself as its "Fair Work Australia" is exposed as the union dominated front that it is.
Joyce is doing the equivalent. Unless the unions cave in he will close Qantas permanently and Jetstar - his "fortress Wapping" - will become the main brand. Displaced Qantas employees at best will be offered the conditions of Jetstar and take it or leave it. Qantas as a corporation will not collapse, just the Qantas brand as a worst case.
Along the way the incompetent Australian Government will further damage itself as its "Fair Work Australia" is exposed as the union dominated front that it is.
Alan Joyce is trying to do it against a government containing Greg Combet and Bill Shorten. Do you really think that he will prevail?
The only Murdoch whom Alan Joyce reminds me of is the hopelessly delusional guy in "The A-Team".
Oct 29, 2011, 3:03 am
#103
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Well, definitely not my view. The changes to get a seat in the MUC and FRA SEN lounges at peak hours are absolutely zero from my experience (using them about twice to three times a month). The waiting list for showers in these lounges is generally between 6 and 8 hours (!). The food is fine, if you are in to beer and pretzels ... So I'd go for QF Business lounge any day, without ever thinking twice.
Also in the air, the QF product is far superior to the LH one. And on StarAlliance, none of the other airlines has access to your itinerary, not even the LH subsidiaries such as LX. So you'll under any circumstance have to call their call center in Germany ...
I can understand your frustration with the strike action, but I totally disagree on your comments re the product.
Also in the air, the QF product is far superior to the LH one. And on StarAlliance, none of the other airlines has access to your itinerary, not even the LH subsidiaries such as LX. So you'll under any circumstance have to call their call center in Germany ...
I can understand your frustration with the strike action, but I totally disagree on your comments re the product.
Good to see QF taking this bold move - the ball is in the union's court now ...
Oct 29, 2011, 3:04 am
#104
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Dick Smith is 100% correct. Australians talk about the nation's iconic carrier, and then they all fly overseas on everybody but QANTAS. Why? Because everybody else (pretty much) is cheaper. Why? Because QANTAS has an internationally uncompetitive cost base. For QANTAS employees to be demanding more under the current circumstances is suicidal.
I haven't flown QANTAS International in years. When I can fly (for example) Aus<>US for $7k return on NZ or VA and QANTAS want $11k, why would I?
I haven't flown QANTAS International in years. When I can fly (for example) Aus<>US for $7k return on NZ or VA and QANTAS want $11k, why would I?
Oct 29, 2011, 3:06 am
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Dick Smith is 100% correct. Australians talk about the nation's iconic carrier, and then they all fly overseas on everybody but QANTAS. Why? Because everybody else (pretty much) is cheaper. Why? Because QANTAS has an internationally uncompetitive cost base. For QANTAS employees to be demanding more under the current circumstances is suicidal.
I haven't flown QANTAS International in years. When I can fly (for example) Aus<>US for $7k return on NZ or VA and QANTAS want $11k, why would I?
I haven't flown QANTAS International in years. When I can fly (for example) Aus<>US for $7k return on NZ or VA and QANTAS want $11k, why would I?