Upcoming Qantas Frequent Flyer Changes
#61
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA Gold(OWE), QF LTG, MR Plat, IHG Spire, Hertz PC
Posts: 8,156
No it isn't ; they are getting what they got before; there is no dilution of benefits, just seems to be a sulk that others are getting something . Just that a Gold member gets a higher status bonus doesn't mean that the platinum member has lost something.
Then again... The sky is falling in! The sky is falling in !
Then again... The sky is falling in! The sky is falling in !
#62
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 44,421
For the general domestic travel I do with QF, I don't think that the tea tastes any better in the business lounge and both lounges have the same poor fruit juices and post mix drinks.
I am not that ecstatic about the 1st lounge at sydney , though does at least have nice orange juice.
I will continue to credit the odd flight that is ineligable for mileage elsewhere , there is nothing that would be an encouragement to credit to QFF
Dave
#63
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA Gold(OWE), QF LTG, MR Plat, IHG Spire, Hertz PC
Posts: 8,156
I have never used such terms, nor would I say such about the platinum level; I have oft suggested that Gold is the most useful tier. Lounge access et al at gold is good; I don't think that platinum is that much better than gold in benefits.
For the general domestic travel I do with QF, I don't think that the tea tastes any better in the business lounge and both lounges have the same poor fruit juices and post mix drinks.
I am not that ecstatic about the 1st lounge at sydney , though does at least have nice orange juice.
I will continue to credit the odd flight that is ineligable for mileage elsewhere , there is nothing that would be an encouragement to credit to QFF
Dave
For the general domestic travel I do with QF, I don't think that the tea tastes any better in the business lounge and both lounges have the same poor fruit juices and post mix drinks.
I am not that ecstatic about the 1st lounge at sydney , though does at least have nice orange juice.
I will continue to credit the odd flight that is ineligable for mileage elsewhere , there is nothing that would be an encouragement to credit to QFF
Dave
#64
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: UK/Australia
Programs: BAEC Silver, UA2MM, QF Platinum, VA Platinum., Volare Executive Club
Posts: 2,488
How can that be a benefit to their bottom line?
#65
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Wellington
Programs: QFWP (LTSG), NZ (Jade), TG ROP (Forgotten), OZ (Silver), AA (Cardboard), EK (Lowest of the Low)
Posts: 4,669
Is WP worth me retaining? I am wondering about it but unlike Dave Noble I am still estatic but the First Lounge in SYD and MEL.
For WP we seem to be the forgotten tier, but like an earlier poster maybe ego has something to do with it here.
#66
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I suspect there are a lot of people who are more concerned about fares than about ff miles. If they can still sell seats , or get ppl to pay more for the refundable fare, they can come out ahead
For HNL-SYD that Im doing next month, I would still fly starclass if I hadnt yet booked, just would be holding out booking until 100% sure that won't need to cancel due to the lack of flexibility on the new fares or would book the expensive fare and then cancel/rebook to lower fare if still available when plans firm.
#67
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: country Western Australia
Programs: QF SG(LTS) - AA LTG(1MM)
Posts: 2,770
As a QF NB, the changes are making the program even less useful. Mainly the expiry of the SC for "bonus" on the yearly anniversary and the additional costs to fly creditable Starclass on JQ. The latter simply means I will never fly JQ SYD-HNL, which was a potential option as budgets are reduced.
Perhaps the status bonuses for OW partners, if increased, would be a positive. I won't hold my breathe. There are far better OW fares ex SIN than ex SYD.
Wandering away still
Fred
Perhaps the status bonuses for OW partners, if increased, would be a positive. I won't hold my breathe. There are far better OW fares ex SIN than ex SYD.
Wandering away still
Fred
#68
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: UK/Australia
Programs: BAEC Silver, UA2MM, QF Platinum, VA Platinum., Volare Executive Club
Posts: 2,488
I agree that the changes to JQ have gotten to me. You now need to pay a lot extra to get the same product that you used to get and is it worth it? IMO, no, compared to what other airlines can offer. So JQ will lose revenue from me, either flying other airlines or from me purchasing cheaper fares.
Is WP worth me retaining? I am wondering about it but unlike Dave Noble I am still estatic but the First Lounge in SYD and MEL.
For WP we seem to be the forgotten tier, but like an earlier poster maybe ego has something to do with it here.
Is WP worth me retaining? I am wondering about it but unlike Dave Noble I am still estatic but the First Lounge in SYD and MEL.
For WP we seem to be the forgotten tier, but like an earlier poster maybe ego has something to do with it here.
This route will surely be for the chop, especially as there will be less pax booking in the future.
BTW, I have 4 upcoming bookings MEL-SIN-MEL in Starclass, and the seatmaps don't suggest fullish flights.
#69
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not drinking, I don't care what alcohol can be obtained at 8 in the morning and I have never been to , nor wanted to go to , the spa
#70
Join Date: Oct 2007
Programs: QF Plat, GC Diamond
Posts: 101
If a company is comprised of 1,000,000 shares and you get promised 10% of the company - you get 100,000 shares.
Then the company enters into a second round of captial raising and lists another 1,000,000 shares.
You have lost nothing, you still have your 100,000 shares.
Do you still own 10% of the company - NO!
This is why anti-dilution clauses exist in contracts...
#71
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The use of the term dilution of benefits comes from the term dilution of equity in a company.
If a company is comprised of 1,000,000 shares and you get promised 10% of the company - you get 100,000 shares.
Then the company enters into a second round of captial raising and lists another 1,000,000 shares.
You have lost nothing, you still have your 100,000 shares.
Do you still own 10% of the company - NO!
This is why anti-dilution clauses exist in contracts...
If a company is comprised of 1,000,000 shares and you get promised 10% of the company - you get 100,000 shares.
Then the company enters into a second round of captial raising and lists another 1,000,000 shares.
You have lost nothing, you still have your 100,000 shares.
Do you still own 10% of the company - NO!
This is why anti-dilution clauses exist in contracts...
Everyone has what they currently have; redemption rates have stayed unchanged and the earning for a platinum member will be unchanged allowing for redemptions at the same rates
A FF member is not a shareholder in the company and has never been given equity; the number of FF miles in circulation is not a static fixed value; QFF hasn't just gone and given gold and silver members a large stack of miles, just that in the future, the gold member will have a better earning than currently and earn enough to earn a discounted ticket sooner ( used to be free tickets before fuel fines )
Last edited by Dave Noble; May 17, 2011 at 5:49 am
#72
Join Date: Oct 2007
Programs: QF Plat, GC Diamond
Posts: 101
Not even close to a relevent analogy
Everyone has what they currently have; redemption rates have stayed unchanged and the earning for a platinum member will be unchanged allowing for redemptions at the same rates
A FF member is not a shareholder in the company; QFF hasn't just gone and given gold and silver members a large stack of miles, just that in the future, the gold member will have a better earning than currently
Everyone has what they currently have; redemption rates have stayed unchanged and the earning for a platinum member will be unchanged allowing for redemptions at the same rates
A FF member is not a shareholder in the company; QFF hasn't just gone and given gold and silver members a large stack of miles, just that in the future, the gold member will have a better earning than currently
A FF member may not be a shareholder in the company - but they are definately a stakeholder. Qantas can ill afford to lose Platinum tier customers.
I'm already LTG - and as a Gold member, I'm now better off! I never have to fly with Qantas again and will still receive pretty decent benefits.
Can't say the same for Qantas, though - how does that help their bottom line?
That's it - I'm not interested in a rant back and forth...
#73
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Join Date: Jan 2002
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They are only customers; no more a stakeholder than someone who regularly shops at Coles is a stakeholder in Coles. If Qantas thought that members were actually stakeholders they would have got buy in on the changes with the members before implementing
#74
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: Melbourne
Programs: Qantas, Hilton, IHG
Posts: 1,762
Changes to JQ (a partner airline) business earning should still have at least 30 days notice.
Change your FF scheme if you must Qantas, but at least be honest in your methods and stick to your own published rules. Rules that you endlessly make US stick to!
3.2 Qantas will use best efforts to advise Members of material changes to these Terms and Conditions and, where such changes will limit Benefits:
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(b) where the Benefit is provided by a third party, where possible give Members at least 30 days' notice.
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(b) where the Benefit is provided by a third party, where possible give Members at least 30 days' notice.
#75
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Virgin Australia is suddenly looking a lot more compelling, particularly since my new accredditation will see me travelling a LOT more.
Will have to wait until I see the new detail of the Velocity plan though, but already QFF is looking very unattractive.
Dave
Will have to wait until I see the new detail of the Velocity plan though, but already QFF is looking very unattractive.
Dave