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serfty Dec 11, 2009 11:03 am
Some small Changes to QFF
 
http://www.qantas.com/active

Some member are recieving the monthly statement. On these are notification of changes to QFF from 1st July 2010. To Summarise:
  • 18 months expiry unless activity.
  • Family transfers don't count as activity.
  • Earn points and SCs on Any seat Awards (excluding JQ).
  • Able to upgrade Any Seat awards.

Aus_Mal Dec 11, 2009 11:08 am
I actually think the earn SC's/able to upgrade AnySeat flights is coming sooner than June 2010.

The website is pretty vague though : "Available soon", and I haven't read the written material from Qantas yet.

Kiwi Flyer Dec 11, 2009 11:12 am
More ideas copied from NZ.

Aisle Seat H Dec 11, 2009 3:37 pm
Originally Posted by Qantas announcement
Coming soon, you will be able to earn points and status credits when you travel on eligible Any Seat Award flights with Qantas and partner airlines (excluding Jetstar), and upgrade on selected Any Seat Awards with Qantas.
So spend a lot (and it is normally a LOT) of points on an 'eligible' Any Seat award booking and then get miles and SCs on that award flight?!? Have I got that right?

And do we know yet exactly what "and upgrade on selected Any Seat Awards with Qantas" will mean in practice... it will be upgraded with cash I'm assuming.

Assume this is also pretty clear evidence that Any Seat awards are not proving popular - wonder why that would be :rolleyes::rolleyes:;) - and that QF thus have felt the need to make them more attractive to their FFs.
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lokijuh Dec 11, 2009 6:28 pm
Originally Posted by Aisle Seat H (Post 12969537)
So spend a lot (and it is normally a LOT) of points on an 'eligible' Any Seat award booking and then get miles and SCs on that award flight?!? Have I got that right?
Yes assume you are right. As Any Seat awards book into basically same fare categories as cash fares (red e deal, super saver, flexi-saver) etc, I imagine points and SC earning at same rates as the cash fares. For QFFers (and Platinums especially) a quick glance at the current cost of Any Seat awards has potential to make them, in some cases, significantly more attractive than classic awards after you deduct the points that will be earnt from the points required for the award.


Originally Posted by Aisle Seat H (Post 12969537)
And do we know yet exactly what "and upgrade on selected Any Seat Awards with Qantas" will mean in practice... it will be upgraded with cash I'm assuming.
Not at all - I was assuming that you can upgrade using points for the same fare types that (when currently paid with cash) can be upgraded using points.

AnonymousCoward Dec 11, 2009 10:44 pm
I'm going to hazard a guess that AnySeat awards that appear to be available at similar cost to Classic Awards will either disappear, or not be eligible for SCs/points. Only AnySeat awards that book into regular earning classes will be eligble. Those awards appear to be roughly $0.01 = 1 point. So, for a cheap SYD/MEL flight, maybe 15k points, which would then earn 1k points/10 SCs.

Supersonic Swinger Dec 14, 2009 4:08 am
QFF Points will now expire after 18 months of account inactivity
 
From an email I just received. This is the same approach as American Airlines.

Hello XXXX

We've added a range of partners and rewards to the QantasFrequent Flyer program in the past two years giving you more ways than ever to earn and use points.

Next year we're changing the way points expire.

From 1 July 2010:
- Your points won't expire as long as you keep your account active by earning or using points through your account at least once every 18 months, rather than every three years as it is now[1].
- Family transfers won't count towards keeping your account active.


How will this affect the points I have now?

- Any points you have in your account at 30 June 2010 won't be affected by the change to the expiry period and will continue to expire after three years.
- If you don't earn or use any points after 30 June 2010, the points you have earned before 1 July 2010 will expire three years after the date of your last activity.
- If you earn or use points after 30 June 2010, your points will expire either:

a) three years from the date of your last activity before 1 July 2010, or
b) 18 months from the date of your last activity after 30 June 2010,

whichever is later.

In short, if you continue to earn or use points as you do now, your points won't expire.
There's also this:

NEW: Coming soon, earn points and status credits on eligible Any Seat Award flights with Qantas and partner airlines (excluding Jetstar)[4].

4. Available soon on eligible flights on Qantas and partner airlines taken as Any Seat Awards (excluding Jetstar).

Tyrolean Dec 14, 2009 6:09 am
If you have an AU/NZ Credit card the 18 month expiry is doesn't matter. But if you live overseas and have years where you fly a lot and then a break, it might be a problem.
Together with the 4 segment rule, which is a joke when you live in Australia, but very tough when you live in Europe, it makes the program much less attractive for us!

bseller Dec 14, 2009 10:22 am
Originally Posted by serfty (Post 12967883)
On these are notification of changes to QFF from 1st July 2010. To Summarise:
[*]18 months expiry unless activity.
As I read the email, this is on a forward looking basis as those of us who earned points prior to July 2010 STILL have a 3 year expiry policy in place for THOSE points.

Originally Posted by QFF
Any points you have in your account at 30 June 2010 won't be affected by the change to the expiry period and will continue to expire after three years.
Dave

IC6A Dec 14, 2009 12:50 pm
Originally Posted by Tyrolean (Post 12981893)
If you have an AU/NZ Credit card the 18 month expiry is doesn't matter. But if you live overseas and have years where you fly a lot and then a break, it might be a problem.
Together with the 4 segment rule, which is a joke when you live in Australia, but very tough when you live in Europe, it makes the program much less attractive for us!
+1!!But CX has the same rule. And BA....

I just do not wish to go to AU to meet those custom jerk again. Have to work hard on the 4 seg issue. thank goodness that thwey still keep the lifetime recognition.

Aus_Mal Dec 14, 2009 1:01 pm
Originally Posted by IC6A (Post 12984469)
I just do not wish to go to AU to meet those custom jerk again. Have to work hard on the 4 seg issue.
It's been discussed recently how to do it without visiting Australia. Find a QF codeshare from X (EDI/MAN/AMS/FCO etc etc) -LHR, then fly LHR-BKK or LHR-SIN. 4 sectors easy.

Traveloguy Dec 14, 2009 2:32 pm
Originally Posted by IC6A (Post 12984469)
+1!!But CX has the same rule. And BA....

I just do not wish to go to AU to meet those custom jerk again. Have to work hard on the 4 seg issue. thank goodness that thwey still keep the lifetime recognition.
CX's rule is infinitely more restrictive. Miles have to be used within a set period regardless of whether you make further transactions or not.

Personally I don't know why someone would join the QF programme if based in Europe and had no interest going to Australia or at least Asia on QF. Your better off joining an EU based programme with BA usually being the obvious one to pick.

I must admit that I am lucky in having QF linked Australian cards so am able to make transactions should the need arise.

serfty Dec 14, 2009 3:05 pm
Of course, all it takes is one hotel or hire car stay to credit to QFF.

Maybe1 Dec 14, 2009 6:02 pm
Originally Posted by Tyrolean (Post 12981893)
But if you live overseas and have years where you fly a lot and then a break, it might be a problem.
If you know someone with a valid Australian delivery address, then www.homeshop.com.au purchases over $30 will generate point activity.

jaffa.oz Dec 14, 2009 9:07 pm
Ok!

Here's my little secret that l have put some UK & SA friends onto in the past and it works a treat.^
Or at least it has in the past.

For points activity:

Go to the QF OZ website and sign in your memebership as normal.
Click on FF and then to "earning Points" and then click "travel & travel services" then go down the list to "travel books" and click

Click on the "itravelbooks.com.au" link button.

You can then make an online book purchase in any currency and you will recieve 2points per $spent. THERE IS NO MINIMUM SPEND TO EARN QF POINTS

You must add your FF no on the confirm order page.:p

I have seen books as low as $9.95 AUD.;)

I am not aware of any cheaper way to recieve a QF FF points movement.

I am suprised more people inside or outside of OZ are not aware of this.

I have kept this one a secret for some time now.

But in the Chrissy Spirit!;)

Happy season everyone :D

PS. (Hint) A street map of an Oz Capital city is only $9.95+ postage

Lonely Flyer Dec 15, 2009 12:59 pm
Originally Posted by jaffa.oz (Post 12987483)
Ok!

Here's my little secret that l have put some UK & SA friends onto in the past and it works a treat.^
Or at least it has in the past.

For points activity:

Go to the QF OZ website and sign in your memebership as normal.
Click on FF and then to "earning Points" and then click "travel & travel services" then go down the list to "travel books" and click

Click on the "itravelbooks.com.au" link button.

You can then make an online book purchase in any currency and you will recieve 2points per $spent. THERE IS NO MINIMUM SPEND TO EARN QF POINTS

You must add your FF no on the confirm order page.:p

I have seen books as low as $9.95 AUD.;)

I am not aware of any cheaper way to recieve a QF FF points movement.

I am suprised more people inside or outside of OZ are not aware of this.

I have kept this one a secret for some time now.

But in the Chrissy Spirit!;)

Happy season everyone :D

PS. (Hint) A street map of an Oz Capital city is only $9.95+ postage

Do not see the point in keeping this a secret. It seems to be a legitimate way to get points and surely they will still have that special book you cannot do without.

DownUnderFlyer Dec 15, 2009 10:06 pm
Originally Posted by Lonely Flyer (Post 12992056)
Do not see the point in keeping this a secret. It seems to be a legitimate way to get points and surely they will still have that special book you cannot do without.
And was something which was recommended in the past already for people who needed activity.

DownUnderFlyer Dec 15, 2009 10:07 pm
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer (Post 12967928)
More ideas copied from NZ.
Which is generally a good thing unless they copy this TT fare doesn't earn anything with other programs nonsense.

perthite Dec 16, 2009 2:05 am
Originally Posted by Lonely Flyer (Post 12992056)
Do not see the point in keeping this a secret. It seems to be a legitimate way to get points and surely they will still have that special book you cannot do without.
Taken together (must have activity every 18 months, family transfers don't count), it would seem to me that the whole point behind the changes is to drive more expediture through partners, especially by folk that don't fly much. I would expect people will be hunting out cheap ways of keeping their points alive.

Tyrolean Dec 16, 2009 8:50 am
Originally Posted by Aus_Mal (Post 12984570)
It's been discussed recently how to do it without visiting Australia. Find a QF codeshare from X (EDI/MAN/AMS/FCO etc etc) -LHR, then fly LHR-BKK or LHR-SIN. 4 sectors easy.
Going to SIN is not that easy. If I go to SIN I will continue to Australia at a similar effort and price.

Lonely Flyer Dec 16, 2009 12:22 pm
Originally Posted by perthite (Post 12996150)
Taken together (must have activity every 18 months, family transfers don't count), it would seem to me that the whole point behind the changes is to drive more expediture through partners, especially by folk that don't fly much. I would expect people will be hunting out cheap ways of keeping their points alive.
Even if people resist shopping at Woolworths doing it once every 18 months cannot hurt that much.

Now ffers living outside AU must have one activity not a big ask. Keeping status is an issue for those outside AU.

DownUnderFlyer Dec 17, 2009 12:09 am
Originally Posted by perthite (Post 12996150)
Taken together (must have activity every 18 months, family transfers don't count), it would seem to me that the whole point behind the changes is to drive more expediture through partners, especially by folk that don't fly much. I would expect people will be hunting out cheap ways of keeping their points alive.
Or the point is to make more points expire and therefore getting a profit on the QF balance sheet.

ajnz Jun 30, 2010 11:01 am
New changes in QFF 1JUL10
 
Just noticed tonight that QFF has new T&C effective as of 1JUL10. I don't know what the explicit differences are.

I only noticed it because I was checking CX eligible fare classes and discovered that now BHKLMV are considered discount economy earning 0.5 points/mile. This is a change when BHK were earning 1 point/mile about a year ago - I'm just about to book a CX r/t SIN-SFO which will only get me 50% points :(.

Anyone able to do an analysis and see if there are other changes? Or point me at the right thread if my search-fu is weak?

serfty Jun 30, 2010 4:47 pm
Guessing, but I think the Pending July 1 changes* may have been incorporated into general content.

*e.g. "Family Transfers" no longer count as "activity".

LTN Phobia Jun 30, 2010 4:51 pm
Points Plus Pay has been added, I believe. I don't think it was there in the previous version.

Aus_Mal Jul 2, 2010 2:58 pm
Originally Posted by ajnz (Post 14220336)
Just noticed tonight that QFF has new T&C effective as of 1JUL10. I don't know what the explicit differences are.
Several changes.

Around Jul 2:
Minor changes involving Retail Rewards - mainly around their legal liability.

These occurred around Jul 1:

They rolled the "Jul 1" expiry point changes into the main T&Cs.
Finnair earning rates changed from 1 point/mile into 0.25 and 0.50 points/mile in Economy.
Finnair flights AY1001-AY3000 or AY7001-AY9999. now earn points.

Around 7 June:
LAN earning changed slightly to exclude flights to Ecuador in certain classes.

Around 13 May:
China Eastern earning added.

I think CX was changed around 19 Feb, along with changes on the same date to BA earning and some other airlines.


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