MaxFlyer

Agree. I’ve done the flights to/from HNL on domestic first seats with AA many times and it’s not great for a 5 hour journey especially overnight. That’s why I also booked lie-flats from DFW-HNL and back for next year.

hammers2958

For what it's worth, I had an unhelpful schedule change from American. I'm due to return from Maui (OGG) in November. I was originally booked on a day flight from OGG to LAX as I really didn't want to fly overnight in a non flat bed seat. However as a result of a schedule change I was put onto a red eye instead. As I didn't like that, I called and asked to be routed OGG - DFW- LAX, in order that I could at least get a flat bed for the overnight leg. I was refused this re-routing. The agent I spoke to described herself as a supervisor and said she had spoken with someone else to check. She said that my re-routing had to be in a similar seat, they couldn't "upgrade" me into a flat bed. This despite the fact that they had changed my flight time from a day flight to a night flight. She agreed with m that this was very unfair, but was insistent it was the rule.

In the end I decided to leave Maui a day earlier on a day flight in order to avoid the overnight flight, but I thought I'd share my experience in case it's of interest to anyone else. The lesson seems to be that if you want a flat bed, you need to book it initially.

Always Flyin

I would have hung-up, waited an hour, and called back.

In such cases, when it is clear the agent is going to be difficult, it is important to get off the call quickly without an extended discussion so the agent doesn't put negative comments in your record.

jbalmuth

I totally agree with this advice, and suggest also that you spend that hour researching where "I" inventory was available in your travel period. [btw, If your travel timeframe is Thanksgiving week, most all of the lie-flat seats in all inventory buckets to/from Hawaii have been reserved and fully paid for several months previous to now.]

danger

Not cool. I would have asked the agent if the same policy applies in reverse: If you're in a flat bed and get downgraded to an angle, presumably there'd be no issue in accommodating you on a longer route to preserve the better seat. Or does the supervisor's policy only work one way?

PUCCI GALORE

Really? How does one reach that? I didn't know that and I have a full subscription.

Thanks but I worked it out for myself but wanted to thank you for that piece of information which was news to me. Thank you

TalkingPoint

In the left menu there's an option called Fare Information. You can look up published fares there and historical up to about a year I believe.

PUCCI GALORE

We cross posted. I assume that you take the code from ITA Matrix and look up the rules. Excellent - thank you

TalkingPoint

If you've already found the fare on ITA, you could read the rules there. However, one advantage of EF is that you can simply search city pairs and see all filed fares and their prices. After you've read through the fare rules you can then work on constructing it on ITA. This can be a big help for finding deals that don't pull up in ITA without knowing all the required constraints.

palmanfr

The party is officially over on this fare. After weeks of hesitation on which routing I should book, I was ready to book. And the fare got significantly increased tonight... Hopefully will come back soon as it used to !

JimmyTheJock

Don't fret...you're not alone.

Lefly

The lower fare has a 180 days advance purchase requirements. Are you sure your dates where over that limit?

RichieMc

Yeah. Even with 180 day advance purchase price is way up. Well over £2000 for most days in May and June. Still a few dates around £1850 for a week in April. Still a good deal. Will probably book another one of these. Fares may well come down in the coming months as jet fuel has been crashing last 2 months, although stil well up YoY.

palmanfr

Yes, i checked the fare on EF and it went up 600-ish euros before taxes and YQ. Fare got changed on August 16th
Fare INX1C8S4 changed from 1000-ish to 1600-ish Euros (before taxes and YQ)

MichaelA380

Based on past experience, it has been on-and-off available for the last few years at least - sometimes out of SOF as well (where positioning is no less difficult)