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AA:JL:QF spin off JFK LAX TYO SYD CGK £2550 business

AA:JL:QF spin off JFK LAX TYO SYD CGK £2550 business

Old Jul 21, 22, 2:48 pm
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Any way to start in LAX or SFO?
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Old Jul 21, 22, 3:13 pm
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Originally Posted by dtremit View Post
I think SYD is the problem with the JL rules, not LAX. I can get it to work JFK-LAX-HND-CGK on a JL ticket.

It looks like the JL route rules are very specific about where you can connect:
Code:
FOR TRAVEL ON/AFTER 13JAN20
3 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN YVR/
CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./PUERTO RICO/US VIRGIN ISLANDS/
MEXICO IN EACH DIRECTION
AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION
IN JAPAN/INDONESIA IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT.
I think otherwise JFK-HND-SYD-CGK would work under the JL MPM (125% of 12078 = 15097; JFK-HND-SYD-CGK squeaks in at 15038).
Nicely researched amigo! i got my math wrong so made the assumption
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Old Jul 21, 22, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by nancypants View Post
Wonder if it works ex CGK for us QFers
Originally Posted by 1k650 View Post
Any way to start in LAX or SFO?
No, for the past couple of years, these have been NYC only. Seems to rotate between CGK, SGN, and BKK, often with a similar deal in the other direction as well. This is the first year though that the AA fare ex-SE Asia uses QR metal instead of JL, presumably because the new 'closer' relationship that started a couple of months ago. I certainly wouldn't complain about QSuites over JL's quite narrow J seats, and I think CGK gets the 788 which has the old recliners still.

Worth note as well, NH and UA have quite a few similar deals. At least ex-SE Asia they have more cities available currently than AA and JL.
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Old Jul 22, 22, 3:57 am
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You can also add in DFW as an extra stop (i.e. JFK-DFW-LAX-HND-SYD-CGK v.v.) but as a BA Frequent Flyer, that's no benefit as i'd earn more TPs going JFK-LAX on a transcontinental service.

For $5 more you can also add DCA (i.e. JFK-DCA-LAX-HND-SYD-CGK v.v.) which does add an extra 40TPs each way, but moves you into recliners instead of lay flat on the US transcon.

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Old Jul 22, 22, 11:22 am
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Originally Posted by dvs7310 View Post
No, for the past couple of years, these have been NYC only. Seems to rotate between CGK, SGN, and BKK, often with a similar deal in the other direction as well. This is the first year though that the AA fare ex-SE Asia uses QR metal instead of JL, presumably because the new 'closer' relationship that started a couple of months ago. I certainly wouldn't complain about QSuites over JL's quite narrow J seats, and I think CGK gets the 788 which has the old recliners still.

Worth note as well, NH and UA have quite a few similar deals. At least ex-SE Asia they have more cities available currently than AA and JL.
Yeah i checked other cities and only NYC ex usa seem to work on this one
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Old Jul 22, 22, 1:41 pm
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Please confirm that the fare basis for the AA fare is RRLE08MN2 ?

If so please can you explain the transfer restrictions, EF has the following text;

1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.

NONE PERMITTED IN SYD/AKL IN EACH DIRECTION
NONE PERMITTED IN SHA IN EACH DIRECTION
IN AREA 3 IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 3 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION ON AA
ONLY IN BOS/CHI/CLT/DFW/LAX/MIA/NYC/PHL/PHX/SAN/
SFO/WAS/YVR IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT
PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
NONE PERMITTED IN SYD/AKL IN EACH DIRECTION
NONE PERMITTED IN SHA IN EACH DIRECTION
IN AREA 3 IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 3 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
NONE PERMITTED IN SHA IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND AS IN EACH
DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT
PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

This suggests that transfers in SYD are not permitted, or am I reading the rules wrong?

Thank you.
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Old Jul 22, 22, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by PO48RA View Post
Please confirm that the fare basis for the AA fare is RRLE08MN2 ?

If so please can you explain the transfer restrictions, EF has the following text;

1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.

NONE PERMITTED IN SYD/AKL IN EACH DIRECTION
NONE PERMITTED IN SHA IN EACH DIRECTION
IN AREA 3 IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 3 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION ON AA
ONLY IN BOS/CHI/CLT/DFW/LAX/MIA/NYC/PHL/PHX/SAN/
SFO/WAS/YVR IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT
PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
NONE PERMITTED IN SYD/AKL IN EACH DIRECTION
NONE PERMITTED IN SHA IN EACH DIRECTION
IN AREA 3 IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 3 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
NONE PERMITTED IN SHA IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND AS IN EACH
DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT
PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

This suggests that transfers in SYD are not permitted, or am I reading the rules wrong?

Thank you.
Yes, that's the correct fare basis. It's the ANDs and the multiple clauses. yes it's hard to read. I don't know how to paste here with the formatting but the indentation helps.
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Old Jul 22, 22, 2:56 pm
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I can't reproduce this on matrix. It prices out at $16000.What am I doing wrong ? Any help is appreciated

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Old Jul 22, 22, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Hilmar Lehnert View Post
I can't reproduce this on matrix. It prices out at $16000.What am I doing wrong ? Any help is appreciated

not sure how the new matrix works but can you put airline codes for each segment? aa lax Aa
and QF Syd QF
Thatís what I did in oldmatrix site
and perhaps make dates more flexible in case R is gone on some flight!
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Old Jul 22, 22, 4:38 pm
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Originally Posted by PO48RA View Post
Please confirm that the fare basis for the AA fare is RRLE08MN2 ?

If so please can you explain the transfer restrictions, EF has the following text;

1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.

NONE PERMITTED IN SYD/AKL IN EACH DIRECTION
NONE PERMITTED IN SHA IN EACH DIRECTION
IN AREA 3 IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 3 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION ON AA
ONLY IN BOS/CHI/CLT/DFW/LAX/MIA/NYC/PHL/PHX/SAN/
SFO/WAS/YVR IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT
PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
NONE PERMITTED IN SYD/AKL IN EACH DIRECTION
NONE PERMITTED IN SHA IN EACH DIRECTION
IN AREA 3 IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 3 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
NONE PERMITTED IN SHA IN EACH DIRECTION.
AND - 1 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
1 PERMITTED BETWEEN AA AND AS IN EACH
DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS NOT
PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

This suggests that transfers in SYD are not permitted, or am I reading the rules wrong?

Thank you.
correct rules but incorrect reading ;-))

there are multiple sub clauses that are difficult to understnad in this format - SYD is allowed and i ticketed it already in last few days without an issue
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Old Jul 23, 22, 8:10 pm
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Originally Posted by nufnuf77 View Post
not sure how the new matrix works but can you put airline codes for each segment? aa lax Aa
and QF Syd QF
Thatís what I did in oldmatrix site
and perhaps make dates more flexible in case R is gone on some flight!
Click on the question mark next to routing codes, it explains what things you can use.

It's also obviously not guaranteed to work every single day of the schedule.
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Old Jul 24, 22, 11:11 pm
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Originally Posted by nufnuf77 View Post
hi - I canít quite link as Google flights donít show it but old ITA matrix does. Dates are wide open- you need R class on Transpacific segments on AA.
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Old Jul 24, 22, 11:38 pm
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Originally Posted by nufnuf77 View Post
if you or anyone needs I am happy to help put an itinerary together for you (disclaimer I am an old fashioned travel agent as a side kick for fun)
I am working on getting 7 max flyer talkers to do this as a DO with 1 day in JakartaÖ
If Japan opens up (for a stopover) while this fare is still around, I'd jump on board in a heartbeat.

Also, Exp Flyer shows ticketable (I think? Or at least viewable by EF, presumably in the GDS.) QF routings HND-MEL-SYD-CGK on 3/21. The outbound would depart at about the same time, and end up connecting to the same outbound SYD-CGK sector -- despite the dog-leg to MEL first.

Might MEL sidestep the prohibition of stopovers in SYD/AKL?

Cuz I would also love a week or two in MEL for some good coffee and a side jaunt to HBA.

PS."Old-fashioned" everything works for me, and usually IS more "fun," anyway.
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Old Jul 25, 22, 12:10 am
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8 legs max per ticket?
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Old Jul 25, 22, 8:46 am
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Jfk lax tyo syd cgk

How far out does this deal run?
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