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AA:JL:QF spin off JFK LAX TYO SYD CGK 2550 business

AA:JL:QF spin off JFK LAX TYO SYD CGK 2550 business

Old Oct 16, 22, 12:11 pm
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Definitely trickier - you have to build it out segment by segment, but given the marketing carrier, the fare code, and the fare for that segment the site will calculate the LPs for that leg. You can then add additional segments to tally up a total (the option for the multi-segment plan appears at the bottom after you add the first segment).


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Old Oct 16, 22, 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by jef787 View Post
Definitely trickier - you have to build it out segment by segment, but given the marketing carrier, the fare code, and the fare for that segment the site will calculate the LPs for that leg. You can then add additional segments to tally up a total (the option for the multi-segment plan appears at the bottom after you add the first segment).
Yes, the "fare for that segment" is the hard part I think. Unless there's a trick to figure that out.
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Old Oct 21, 22, 9:49 am
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What tool are you using to construct / book the fares segment by segment ? I tried doing this yesterday with the below steps.
  1. Find a date that has R fare JFK-TYO marketed and operated by AA
  2. Find a date that has C fare TYO-SYD-CGK and CGK-SYD-TYO marketed by QF
  3. Then find a date that has R fare TYO-JFK
  4. I did the above 3 steps on expertflyer
  5. Then tried to do a multi-city search on google flights, oldmatrix, AA.com and few OTAs and I wasn't able to force the fare to be under $4k
Although I am pretty easily able to price something like JFK-LAX-TYO // TYO-KUL-CGK // CGK-NRT-SEA // SEA-JFK for ~$2700.
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Old Oct 21, 22, 11:56 am
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Originally Posted by su9062 View Post
What tool are you using to construct / book the fares segment by segment ? I tried doing this yesterday with the below steps.
  1. Find a date that has R fare JFK-TYO marketed and operated by AA
  2. Find a date that has C fare TYO-SYD-CGK and CGK-SYD-TYO marketed by QF
  3. Then find a date that has R fare TYO-JFK
  4. I did the above 3 steps on expertflyer
  5. Then tried to do a multi-city search on google flights, oldmatrix, AA.com and few OTAs and I wasn't able to force the fare to be under $4k
Although I am pretty easily able to price something like JFK-LAX-TYO // TYO-KUL-CGK // CGK-NRT-SEA // SEA-JFK for ~$2700.
Easiest is to use ITA Matrix (I still much prefer the old version) along with Powertools and then deeplink to an OTA.
EDIT: just re-read your question. I think the problem you're going to run into is searching segment by segment on EF won't give you the availability for the whole direction. Just because R is available for sale on JFK-TYO doesn't mean it will be available for JFK-CGK.

Seems pretty easy to me. This is with inventory turned off:


This is with inventory turned on. Notice the AA code on JL metal isn't available on the outbound:


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Old Oct 21, 22, 1:14 pm
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Thank you Skunker, is there an easy way to see what dates work for each segment ?
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Old Oct 21, 22, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by skunker View Post
Easiest is to use ITA Matrix (I still much prefer the old version) along with Powertools and then deeplink to an OTA.
EDIT: just re-read your question. I think the problem you're going to run into is searching segment by segment on EF won't give you the availability for the whole direction. Just because R is available for sale on JFK-TYO doesn't mean it will be available for JFK-CGK.

Seems pretty easy to me. This is with inventory turned off:


This is with inventory turned on. Notice the AA code on JL metal isn't available on the outbound:

Can you please post a screenshot of your Matrix inputs before you are clicking search ? I am unable to repro this even entering the exact dates.
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Old Oct 21, 22, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by su9062 View Post
Can you please post a screenshot of your Matrix inputs before you are clicking search ? I am unable to repro this even entering the exact dates.
Did you turn inventory off, like the poster said? That's probably why.
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Old Oct 21, 22, 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Smiley90 View Post
Did you turn inventory off, like the poster said? That's probably why.
Thank you. I was trying to see what inventory turning off meant. That helped.

To my earlier question though, how would one go about finding a date that has inventory ? Would expertflyer be able to help ?
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Old Oct 21, 22, 3:18 pm
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Originally Posted by su9062 View Post
Thank you. I was trying to see what inventory turning off meant. That helped.

To my earlier question though, how would one go about finding a date that has inventory ? Would expertflyer be able to help ?
itamatrix with flexible dates and a lot of spare time is your best bet, I'm sure.
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Old Oct 22, 22, 12:10 am
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Originally Posted by su9062 View Post
Thank you. I was trying to see what inventory turning off meant. That helped.

To my earlier question though, how would one go about finding a date that has inventory ? Would expertflyer be able to help ?
Expertflyer is definitely a huge help trying to find the inventory, if you use +/- 3 days in your search then you get a whole week of inventory in the tabs. Bear in mind AA uses a lot of married segment tricks, so you'd likely need to enter NYC-TYO and put LAX in the connection line to get accurate inventory. I've seen many cases where AA will have R (or C, D, I, etc.) on segment by segment but not married segment. I find it insanely frustrating. Sometimes you can 'break' married segments by structuring it a certain way, sometimes you can't.
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Old Oct 22, 22, 4:01 am
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Bear in mind QF does married segments on the route and finding C on HND-SYD and SYD-CGK doesnt mean C is possible for HND-SYD-CGK connection, alas! Ping me if you need assistance finding/booking this
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Old Oct 22, 22, 4:17 am
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Originally Posted by nufnuf77 View Post
Bear in mind QF does married segments on the route and finding C on HND-SYD and SYD-CGK doesnt mean C is possible for HND-SYD-CGK connection, alas! Ping me if you need assistance finding/booking this
Yup, I had exactly the same issue trying to get a RTW ticket and QF married segments. Wouldn't work without a stopover in SYD, which if I recall can't be done on this ticket.
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Old Oct 22, 22, 5:04 am
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Originally Posted by skunker View Post
Easiest is to use ITA Matrix (I still much prefer the old version) along with Powertools and then deeplink to an OTA.
EDIT: just re-read your question. I think the problem you're going to run into is searching segment by segment on EF won't give you the availability for the whole direction. Just because R is available for sale on JFK-TYO doesn't mean it will be available for JFK-CGK.

Seems pretty easy to me. This is with inventory turned off:


This is with inventory turned on. Notice the AA code on JL metal isn't available on the outbound:

Is my calculation correct that an EP will earn 38256 LP for this itinerary? I still have to understand the calculations for an itinerary involving non- AA operated or code-shared flights.
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Old Oct 22, 22, 6:56 am
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Is my calculation correct that an EP will earn 38256 LP for this itinerary? I still have to understand the calculations for an itinerary involving non- AA operated or code-shared flights.
No, it's 57k with just the QF legs (ignoring the AA ones).
16.5k miles * (1.0 (base miles) + 1.25 (cabin bonus) +1.2 (EXP bonus)).

Edit: 40.5k (.25 cabin bonus see post #260)
And some less clear additional amount for the AA flights.
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Old Oct 22, 22, 12:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Quail View Post
No, it's 57k with just the QF legs (ignoring the AA ones).
16.5k miles * (1.0 (base miles) + 1.25 (cabin bonus) +1.2 (EXP bonus)).

And some less clear additional amount for the AA flights.
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That is not right. I think you added an extra multiple for the base miles. 16,500 * 2.45 = 40,425 See below

Originally Posted by blueslip View Post
Is my calculation correct that an EP will earn 38256 LP for this itinerary? I still have to understand the calculations for an itinerary involving non- AA operated or code-shared flights.
If you book it you should be able to call AAdavantage CS and ask for the total LP earned.

For AS it would be 23,887 (for the AA coded legs) + 20,664 (for the QF legs) = 44,551 EQM

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