[PREM FARE GONE] AA:JL:QF spin off JFK LAX TYO SYD CGK £2550 business
Sep 25, 2022, 9:44 am
#226
Join Date: Feb 2011
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FYI guys we now have a small FLYING DO happening with several members flying on:
JFK-LAX-HND (20 APR)
HND-SYD (21APR)
SYD-CGK (22APR)
CGK-NRT-BOS-LAX (23 APR)
LAX-JFK(24APR)
Comes to 3000usd and is still available for the brave who want to join for what will be 65 hours in air and 12 hours in Jakarta :-)
If you wanna be booked on this feel free to ping me and I will add you to the crazy group and get you sorted with the right flights etc...
JFK-LAX-HND (20 APR)
HND-SYD (21APR)
SYD-CGK (22APR)
CGK-NRT-BOS-LAX (23 APR)
LAX-JFK(24APR)
Comes to 3000usd and is still available for the brave who want to join for what will be 65 hours in air and 12 hours in Jakarta :-)
If you wanna be booked on this feel free to ping me and I will add you to the crazy group and get you sorted with the right flights etc...
Last edited by ILAZXFE; Sep 25, 2022 at 11:01 am
Sep 25, 2022, 11:39 am
#227
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Sep 25, 2022, 5:25 pm
#228
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What’s interesting is that for the same dates, routing through KUL wouldn’t trigger the HIP check, while routing through SYD would. When I was searching for dates around 2 weeks ago, they were all pricing normally but now some aren’t. Sounds like truly a YMMV situation.
Sep 26, 2022, 7:37 am
#229
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Not to harp on this, but you are sure you're not pricing the JL fare when not HIP checked, right? It allows routing via KUL and not SYD:
Code:
FOR TRAVEL ON/AFTER 13JAN20
3 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN YVR/
CONTIGUOUS U.S.A./PUERTO RICO/US VIRGIN ISLANDS/
MEXICO IN EACH DIRECTION
AND - 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION
IN JAPAN/INDONESIA IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND
EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE
COMPONENT.
Sep 26, 2022, 7:53 am
#230
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Here is one I ticketed within the last few days, but with different dates. Inventory off.
Stopover appears in the fare construction and you can see the fare was increased by $100 because of it. Can add a stopover in TYO on the return too, and it only adds $100.
I plan to look into this more deeply today.
Last edited by Quail; Sep 26, 2022 at 8:05 am
Sep 26, 2022, 8:34 am
#231
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OK *facepalm* I think I figured it out, didn't take long once I actually sat down to do it.
I started calculating the HIP check manually with my trusty IATA ticketing handbook, and found that no AA R fares applied on those dates with those flights between NYC and TYO.
The comment about AA not applying HIP checks in TYO earlier in this thread is a red herring. The HIP check definitely applies, but there is nothing to check against since the (public) filed NYC-TYO AA R fares are very restrictive, especially on dates.
Examples above: one where the HIP check actually does raise the price followed by an example on basically the same dates where it does not:
Sep 26, 2022, 9:15 am
#232
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Interesting. I think it's a bit more than R fares, because SYD will HIP check using INXQFVN1 as the lowest fare.
Maybe there is a rule against using normal fares for the check? JFK :: AA171 LAX AA8453 :: HND is valid, but only using J1Y08IN5 because of the holes in the fare table you mention. I also might be confused about the AA fare class ordering.
Maybe there is a rule against using normal fares for the check? JFK :: AA171 LAX AA8453 :: HND is valid, but only using J1Y08IN5 because of the holes in the fare table you mention. I also might be confused about the AA fare class ordering.
Sep 26, 2022, 9:21 am
#233
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Interesting. I think it's a bit more than R fares, because SYD will HIP check using INXQFVN1 as the lowest fare.
Maybe there is a rule against using normal fares for the check? JFK :: AA171 LAX AA8453 :: HND is valid, but only using J1Y08IN5 because of the holes in the fare table you mention. I also might be confused about the AA fare class ordering.
Maybe there is a rule against using normal fares for the check? JFK :: AA171 LAX AA8453 :: HND is valid, but only using J1Y08IN5 because of the holes in the fare table you mention. I also might be confused about the AA fare class ordering.
Edit: Actually maybe there aren't others, I am only getting NYC-TYO to price using fares governed by rule P101. Looking for a counterexample.
Broader point though: there is logic for determining whether a fare is "comparable" for the purposes of a HIP check, and I think that is the key here.
https://www.aa.com/content/images/ta...nal-tariff.pdf (e.g. page 212) may have clues.
Last edited by Quail; Sep 26, 2022 at 10:33 am
Sep 28, 2022, 5:08 pm
#234
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I booked a variation of this on ANA via united. JAL combos for my dates weren't bookable. Seems like decent price for ANA business class(suites from JFK to HND)
ANA Business Class $2700 USD
JFK - HND
HND - CGK
CGK - JFK
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...K34VYrd5d2sYk6
ANA Business Class $2700 USD
JFK - HND
HND - CGK
CGK - JFK
https://www.google.com/travel/flight...K34VYrd5d2sYk6
Sep 29, 2022, 7:40 am
#235
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Yeah, some pretty crazy-long routings (EWR-LAX-LIH-SFO-NRT-SIN-ICN-CGK) were booked on the *A variant earlier. It is a routed fare.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34474572-post107.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34474572-post107.html
Oct 3, 2022, 1:47 am
#236
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Has anyone actually flown the SYD AA version yet and credited to AA? I'm curious what they are giving for NYC-TYO in PPs. Knowing AA it could be something ridiculous like $200 each way and attributing the rest to the QF segments.
Oct 15, 2022, 12:49 pm
#237
Join Date: Oct 2022
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Anyone happen to know for those crediting back to AA what the following would earn for Loyalty Points for this run:
Outbound:
JFK-LAX-HND (AA Marketed ‘R’ business class)
HND-SYD-CGK (QF Marketed ‘C’ business class)
Return:
CGK-SYD-HND (QF Marketed ‘C’ business class)
HND-LAX-JFK (AA Marketed ‘R’ business class)
Fare before taxes approx. $1,500 each way. (Approx $3,500 r/t with taxes & fees)
* I’m ExPlat and will be booking with the AA Citi Executive World Elite Mastercard
thank you for any help figuring this out before I pull the trigger!
Outbound:
JFK-LAX-HND (AA Marketed ‘R’ business class)
HND-SYD-CGK (QF Marketed ‘C’ business class)
Return:
CGK-SYD-HND (QF Marketed ‘C’ business class)
HND-LAX-JFK (AA Marketed ‘R’ business class)
Fare before taxes approx. $1,500 each way. (Approx $3,500 r/t with taxes & fees)
* I’m ExPlat and will be booking with the AA Citi Executive World Elite Mastercard
thank you for any help figuring this out before I pull the trigger!
Last edited by Magnum9; Oct 15, 2022 at 12:56 pm
Oct 16, 2022, 9:18 am
#239
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https://lpcalculator.com/
Oct 16, 2022, 10:47 am
#240
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This site's been useful to me to estimate loyalty points for various options, Magnum
https://lpcalculator.com/
https://lpcalculator.com/