Star Alliance: CDG-North America-Auckland-Asia-CDG 2735 biz
Oct 20, 2022, 9:55 am
#241
Join Date: Jun 2015
Programs: Delta SkyMiles
Posts: 102
I found this via the Google Chrome extension for Old ITA Matrix->Momondo.no->Expedia.it. Another possibility is Old ITA Matrix->Skyscanner.mx->Expedia.mx.
Last edited by starwarsgeek8; Oct 20, 2022 at 10:01 am Reason: added another possible booking path
Oct 20, 2022, 11:46 am
#242
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 133
At that price at this point I can find only quite simple itineraries, e.g. MXP-ORD-AKL-ORD-MXP [I used the Google Chrome app and Old ITA Matrix to click through to momondo.se and then expedia.it]
For a little bit more, you can do a genuine round-the-world trip, at least on Old ITA Matrix:
The trouble seems to be getting these more complex itineraries to price out on reputable online travel agencies. All I could get for this one, for instance, was Old ITA Matrix->Skyscanner.se->flygcity.se and Old ITA Matrix->Momondo.nl->travelfrom.nl, but I have no idea how reputable those OTAs are. They could be fly-by-night shops that don't have access to live inventory and show old cached data.
For a little bit more, you can do a genuine round-the-world trip, at least on Old ITA Matrix:
The trouble seems to be getting these more complex itineraries to price out on reputable online travel agencies. All I could get for this one, for instance, was Old ITA Matrix->Skyscanner.se->flygcity.se and Old ITA Matrix->Momondo.nl->travelfrom.nl, but I have no idea how reputable those OTAs are. They could be fly-by-night shops that don't have access to live inventory and show old cached data.
Oct 21, 2022, 8:32 am
#243
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: BOS
Programs: UA 1k
Posts: 139
I'm struggling with ITA Matrix on this one. When I try to route the return flight through, say, SIN, it ALSO forces the outbound through SIN as well. I tried both old and new matrix being careful to set the routing code only for the return. I also tried splitting it into flights and the same thing happens. Ironically the "default" return is already through Singapore so adding the routing code for the return shouldn't change anything but it sure does. Is this a bug or am I missing something ? Thanks !!
Oct 23, 2022, 1:51 pm
#244
Join Date: Jun 2015
Programs: Delta SkyMiles
Posts: 102
Some of the D/Z class fares are pricing out directly on the Lufthansa website.
There are some mixed P and D/Z class fares as well:
These were accessed by finding the dates on Old ITA Matrix, then using the Google Chrome extension to click through to momondo.dk, which provided direct links to Lufthansa.com.
I haven't yet been able to get the P class fares to price out on the Lufthansa site yet. Again, there is less availability for "true" round-the-world routings.
There are some mixed P and D/Z class fares as well:
These were accessed by finding the dates on Old ITA Matrix, then using the Google Chrome extension to click through to momondo.dk, which provided direct links to Lufthansa.com.
I haven't yet been able to get the P class fares to price out on the Lufthansa site yet. Again, there is less availability for "true" round-the-world routings.
Oct 25, 2022, 8:30 am
#245
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: ZRH
Programs: LX-SEN, KL-Gold, BA-Gold, LA-Comodoro
Posts: 94
Some of the D/Z class fares are pricing out directly on the Lufthansa website.
There are some mixed P and D/Z class fares as well:
These were accessed by finding the dates on Old ITA Matrix, then using the Google Chrome extension to click through to momondo.dk, which provided direct links to Lufthansa.com.
I haven't yet been able to get the P class fares to price out on the Lufthansa site yet. Again, there is less availability for "true" round-the-world routings.
There are some mixed P and D/Z class fares as well:
These were accessed by finding the dates on Old ITA Matrix, then using the Google Chrome extension to click through to momondo.dk, which provided direct links to Lufthansa.com.
I haven't yet been able to get the P class fares to price out on the Lufthansa site yet. Again, there is less availability for "true" round-the-world routings.
I know that with such a good fare you don't have to look for the hair in the soup, but don't forget: NZ business class is bad (in my eyes) and LH business class is absolutely disastrous. Therefore it's worth it to invest some time in research to get this fare routed on AC, SQ, UA, (eventually LX / OS) etc., even if it might be a few 100s more expensive.
You will otherwise think of me the first time you are awakened by your neighbor's knees (LH) or feel reminded of a cheap hostel (NZ).
LH Business Class in the 747-400 with the super weird middle seat...
NZ 787-900 Business class
Oct 25, 2022, 12:46 pm
#246
Join Date: Sep 2022
Location: AUS
Programs: BA, QF, DL, A3, IHG
Posts: 121
I know that with such a good fare you don't have to look for the hair in the soup, but don't forget: NZ business class is bad (in my eyes) and LH business class is absolutely disastrous. Therefore it's worth it to invest some time in research to get this fare routed on AC, SQ, UA, (eventually LX / OS) etc., even if it might be a few 100s more expensive.
You will otherwise think of me the first time you are awakened by your neighbor's knees (LH) or feel reminded of a cheap hostel (NZ).
NZ 787-900 Business class
You will otherwise think of me the first time you are awakened by your neighbor's knees (LH) or feel reminded of a cheap hostel (NZ).
NZ 787-900 Business class
Oct 25, 2022, 2:44 pm
#248
Join Date: Sep 2017
Programs: TK Elite Plus, AA Exec Platinum, Hyatt Globalist, United 1K
Posts: 311
I got on this deal with a EU-North America (first), NA-NZ (business), Australia-NA (first), NA-EU (first) ticket thanks to the great help from nufnuf77 , for about 5K USD. 3 legs in First made it justifiable for me
Oct 25, 2022, 2:59 pm
#249
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: LAS
Programs: UA 1k / Marriott Plat
Posts: 6
Some of the D/Z class fares are pricing out directly on the Lufthansa website.
There are some mixed P and D/Z class fares as well:
These were accessed by finding the dates on Old ITA Matrix, then using the Google Chrome extension to click through to momondo.dk, which provided direct links to Lufthansa.com.
I haven't yet been able to get the P class fares to price out on the Lufthansa site yet. Again, there is less availability for "true" round-the-world routings.
There are some mixed P and D/Z class fares as well:
These were accessed by finding the dates on Old ITA Matrix, then using the Google Chrome extension to click through to momondo.dk, which provided direct links to Lufthansa.com.
I haven't yet been able to get the P class fares to price out on the Lufthansa site yet. Again, there is less availability for "true" round-the-world routings.
Agree that the Air NZ cabin looks wild, and it definitely needs an upgrade, but flew it for the first time a couple months ago on one of these fares and did get some amazing sleep, above average meals (Polaris being my average is a low bar of course) and very attentive FAs.
Nov 8, 2022, 3:37 am
#251
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Alright, first time butting into this thread, because I just stumbled upon it.
Couple of general Qs:
1) Don’t care where in Europe I start (MXP would be ideal, but whatever, this is why LCCs exist) is MXP still good?
2) Does it matter if flying East or West from Europe?
3) A stop in AKL is de rigeur, for more than one reason, but can I also have a stop in HNL and another N. America stop? Or do the rules not permit more than one stop in USA/N. America?
4) And finally, has anyone even attempted to book this for next summer, 2023? The GF is a prof, and she gets the whole summer off. This would be an awesome present.
5) What’s the best OTA? I’m thinking of using a traditional human TA which I never use, but I thought to at least have something for them to reference.
Thank you all for your research!
Couple of general Qs:
1) Don’t care where in Europe I start (MXP would be ideal, but whatever, this is why LCCs exist) is MXP still good?
2) Does it matter if flying East or West from Europe?
3) A stop in AKL is de rigeur, for more than one reason, but can I also have a stop in HNL and another N. America stop? Or do the rules not permit more than one stop in USA/N. America?
4) And finally, has anyone even attempted to book this for next summer, 2023? The GF is a prof, and she gets the whole summer off. This would be an awesome present.
5) What’s the best OTA? I’m thinking of using a traditional human TA which I never use, but I thought to at least have something for them to reference.
Thank you all for your research!
Nov 8, 2022, 4:01 am
#252
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 310
Alright, first time butting into this thread, because I just stumbled upon it.
Couple of general Qs:
1) Don’t care where in Europe I start (MXP would be ideal, but whatever, this is why LCCs exist) is MXP still good?
2) Does it matter if flying East or West from Europe?
3) A stop in AKL is de rigeur, for more than one reason, but can I also have a stop in HNL and another N. America stop? Or do the rules not permit more than one stop in USA/N. America?
4) And finally, has anyone even attempted to book this for next summer, 2023? The GF is a prof, and she gets the whole summer off. This would be an awesome present.
5) What’s the best OTA? I’m thinking of using a traditional human TA which I never use, but I thought to at least have something for them to reference.
Thank you all for your research!
Couple of general Qs:
1) Don’t care where in Europe I start (MXP would be ideal, but whatever, this is why LCCs exist) is MXP still good?
2) Does it matter if flying East or West from Europe?
3) A stop in AKL is de rigeur, for more than one reason, but can I also have a stop in HNL and another N. America stop? Or do the rules not permit more than one stop in USA/N. America?
4) And finally, has anyone even attempted to book this for next summer, 2023? The GF is a prof, and she gets the whole summer off. This would be an awesome present.
5) What’s the best OTA? I’m thinking of using a traditional human TA which I never use, but I thought to at least have something for them to reference.
Thank you all for your research!
2. I believe you should be able to fly either direction
3. Fare rules specify one stopover in either direction
4. It is available for next summer (see the following screenshots)
5. You may not need to use an OTA - I was able to book directly with UA on United.com and I believe there have been those who have booked directly with an LX group carrier
ITA Matrix Example
Westward Itinerary
Last edited by nickohrn; Nov 9, 2022 at 2:35 am Reason: Fixed broken quote
Nov 9, 2022, 1:18 am
#253
Join Date: Sep 2022
Programs: United Mileage Plus
Posts: 735
So are Americans doing positioning flights to Europe to take advantage of this fare?
Hmm that's over a 2 month itinerary, not including positioning flights. So the savings on airfare will be used up for lodging.
And then some.
Hmm that's over a 2 month itinerary, not including positioning flights. So the savings on airfare will be used up for lodging.
And then some.
Nov 9, 2022, 2:39 am
#254
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 310
For me, the big draw was getting to New Zealand in business class without paying what is usually charged for ex-USA fares or waiting for nearly non-existent award space to open up on dates that I'd prefer. $3,000 isn't nothing, but it got me back and forth to Europe in addition to getting me to New Zealand. I'll take it.
If you choose to do the RTW, you obviously need different considerations, but it can certainly be worth it.
Nov 9, 2022, 2:56 am
#255
Join Date: Sep 2017
Programs: M&M
Posts: 60
1. MXP seems to work
2. I believe you should be able to fly either direction
3. Fare rules specify one stopover in either direction
4. It is available for next summer (see the following screenshots)
5. You may not need to use an OTA - I was able to book directly with UA on United.com and I believe there have been those who have booked directly with an LX group carrier
ITA Matrix Example
Westward Itinerary
2. I believe you should be able to fly either direction
3. Fare rules specify one stopover in either direction
4. It is available for next summer (see the following screenshots)
5. You may not need to use an OTA - I was able to book directly with UA on United.com and I believe there have been those who have booked directly with an LX group carrier
ITA Matrix Example
Westward Itinerary
Thanks!