[PREM FARE GONE] SQ JFK-FRA(Eco)-FRA-SIN-JFK (Bus) from $2008
Mar 26, 2019, 7:09 am
#152
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Mar 26, 2019, 8:01 am
#153
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Mar 26, 2019, 9:01 am
#154
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1) To position to DAD for my CX flights in Sept/Oct.
2) To go to SE Asia for my annual January trip.
I saw this deal when it first appeared, but wasn't too interested (because of the low PQM earnings on UA) until the double routing through SIN came up! That caught my attention.
Plus SIN is my favorite city in the world. Part of that was due to my regular upgrades to the penthouse suite at the Fairmont Singapore. Now that upgrades are going away (thanks Accor 
), not sure if I will be going there as often as I used to.
Mar 26, 2019, 9:19 am
#155
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My wife and I usually plan a trip over Thanksgiving. On this we get to spend a week in Europe followed by 5 days in Singapore, all the way in business for less than $5k total. Hard to beat that. Not really concerned about the mileage earning.
Mar 26, 2019, 8:01 pm
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OK, joking aside, if you have not yet commenced travel, your assumption is correct. With this ticket, you'd be subject to prevailing fares at the time the change is made.
Without preaching too much, I'd advise against making changes to these tickets once travel commences. I know the fare rules are what they are, but I do not think there is much to gain from a SQ agent pondering why you are traveling from JFK to FRA via SIN. You'd probably win the fight eventually, but it's best not to stir the pot.
Last edited by NYC Flyer; Mar 26, 2019 at 8:08 pm
Mar 27, 2019, 11:33 am
#158
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Without preaching too much, I'd advise against making changes to these tickets once travel commences. I know the fare rules are what they are, but I do not think there is much to gain from a SQ agent pondering why you are traveling from JFK to FRA via SIN. You'd probably win the fight eventually, but it's best not to stir the pot.
I guess I need to be cognizant of the time allowed to rebook within?
Mar 27, 2019, 12:02 pm
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Mar 28, 2019, 12:29 pm
#160
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Not sure what the deal is with OTAs (try to avoid them as much as possible), but the ~$2.3k round trips booked through SQ are on a D fare basis (D15USRLC) so it's an actual Business fare and it shows up as business and all that.
That said I dug a little deeper into the fare rules and it seems like this is a JFK-FRA RT sale fare that somehow allows for a stopover in SIN(!) — which is why when booking on the SQ website one has to book multi-city (e.g. JFK-SIN, SIN-FRA, FRA-JFK) to get a ~$2k price, while JFK-SIN RT prices at ~$4k.
It looks like when loading this sale fare /SIN got appended to the rules: 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN LAX/SFO/NYC/HOU/SIN, and oddly enough SQ's routing rules for all their JFK-FRA fares allow a stop in SIN:
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. NYC-SQ-FRA-SQ-SIN-SQ/MI-FRA
2. NYC-SQ-SIN-SQ/MI-FRA
3. NYC-SQ-FRA
Which is how we end up with a valid ~$2.3k JFK-SIN RT fare (well JFK-FRA with a stop in SIN).
In addition some of the cheaper fares with either JFK-FRA or FRA-JFK in Y or PY seem plausible given how the D15USRLC fare looks like it's combinable (e.g. JFK-FRA in V/W + FRA-SIN-FRA-JFK in D) — and probably explains the first post as well. As for your Kayak screenshot the base fare for D15USRLC is $2230 and V15USRL is $480, so $1448 looks reasonable after you throw in taxes and fees.
Not sure if this falls in the realm of an error fare, and the fare rules haven't been fixed for over a week, but we'll see what SQ does with the bookings I guess (unfortunately I only thought to examine the fare rules >24h after I booked one of these RTs, so can't cancel now and will see what happens)
Also am not sure what the etiquette is regarding this but if I really shouldn't be bringing this to the attention of SQ happy to delete this post as well
That said I dug a little deeper into the fare rules and it seems like this is a JFK-FRA RT sale fare that somehow allows for a stopover in SIN(!) — which is why when booking on the SQ website one has to book multi-city (e.g. JFK-SIN, SIN-FRA, FRA-JFK) to get a ~$2k price, while JFK-SIN RT prices at ~$4k.
It looks like when loading this sale fare /SIN got appended to the rules: 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION IN LAX/SFO/NYC/HOU/SIN, and oddly enough SQ's routing rules for all their JFK-FRA fares allow a stop in SIN:
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. NYC-SQ-FRA-SQ-SIN-SQ/MI-FRA
2. NYC-SQ-SIN-SQ/MI-FRA
3. NYC-SQ-FRA
Which is how we end up with a valid ~$2.3k JFK-SIN RT fare (well JFK-FRA with a stop in SIN).
In addition some of the cheaper fares with either JFK-FRA or FRA-JFK in Y or PY seem plausible given how the D15USRLC fare looks like it's combinable (e.g. JFK-FRA in V/W + FRA-SIN-FRA-JFK in D) — and probably explains the first post as well. As for your Kayak screenshot the base fare for D15USRLC is $2230 and V15USRL is $480, so $1448 looks reasonable after you throw in taxes and fees.
Not sure if this falls in the realm of an error fare, and the fare rules haven't been fixed for over a week, but we'll see what SQ does with the bookings I guess (unfortunately I only thought to examine the fare rules >24h after I booked one of these RTs, so can't cancel now and will see what happens)
Also am not sure what the etiquette is regarding this but if I really shouldn't be bringing this to the attention of SQ happy to delete this post as well
JFK-SIN-SFO-SIN-JFK?
Mar 28, 2019, 12:48 pm
#162
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I tried with LAX and ended up a thousand dollars more so did not even try SFO (but that was originating in JFK). Fare Rules do not spell out fare ($$$). Fares are based on origin and destination. Even if you can get SFO to work (which you can) the fare is not the $2200-$2400.
for SFO/LAX- how did you get it to price to be just $1k more.
i am not seeing that. I live in CA, so for $1000 more. I would rather have SFO/LAX
Mar 28, 2019, 12:59 pm
#163
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For all my searches I used Kayak (at that time) and then worked with same dates on SQ site. Some dates had lower fares on OTA's (usually Cheapo) and some had the same fare. You just have to play with allowed origins and stops and dates. I am originating in California but using awards and/or buying AA tickets to get to JFK or matched with the CX 1st class HAN-HKG trip.
Mar 28, 2019, 1:06 pm
#164
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For all my searches I used Kayak (at that time) and then worked with same dates on SQ site. Some dates had lower fares on OTA's (usually Cheapo) and some had the same fare. You just have to play with allowed origins and stops and dates. I am originating in California but using awards and/or buying AA tickets to get to JFK or matched with the CX 1st class HAN-HKG trip.
I tried to search via cheapo/kayak. But I can’t get it to price on SQ (it’s over $36k)
i assume i should search SFO-SIN via LAX? Or LAX to SIN via SFO?
i am using my UA miles to position to EWR. But would rather spend $1k more if I can do SFO or LAX as origin
Mar 28, 2019, 1:29 pm
#165
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sorry I wasn’t clear what I was asking. Sorry
I tried to search via cheapo/kayak. But I can’t get it to price on SQ (it’s over $36k)
i assume i should search SFO-SIN via LAX? Or LAX to SIN via SFO?
i am using my UA miles to position to EWR. But would rather spend $1k more if I can do SFO or LAX as origin
I could be mistaken but from the West Coast you only had the ICN/NRT/HKG SQ stops in the past on the way to SIN. So I'm not sure you can recreate this type of fare...
My suggestion look at B6 Mint sales or others and position to JFK for this fare...
