AI : ARN -> SIN - 1400 EUR in J roundtrip
Feb 26, 2019, 5:52 pm
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IMHO it is not fair to exclude Air India Express:
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...4271f49a67027c
- Air India Express Flight 812, on 22 May 2010, (a Boeing 737-800) flying on the Dubai-Mangalore route overshot the runway 24 on landing at Mangalore International Airport killing 158 passengers on board.[7]
https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...4271f49a67027c
But even so, it was nine years ago. Not really a benchmark for determiming the safety of an airline? The OP said 'google at your own risk' - well google seems to tell a very different story to the OP's concerns.
Feb 26, 2019, 6:19 pm
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I'm not sure that is comparing apples with apples. Low cost carriers with a huge demand for new pilots vs legacy long-haul with pilots with a lot of hours. While there should be any excuses for safety on low cost, it's a different structure.
But even so, it was nine years ago. Not really a benchmark for determiming the safety of an airline? The OP said 'google at your own risk' - well google seems to tell a very different story to the OP's concerns.
But even so, it was nine years ago. Not really a benchmark for determiming the safety of an airline? The OP said 'google at your own risk' - well google seems to tell a very different story to the OP's concerns.
The fact of the matter is, for many airlines you will find safety incidents from time to time. WN had an engine grenade itself last year killing a passenger. Was this the cause of the pilots messing up? No! In fact the PIC did an exceptional job landing the plane safely and quickly given the resulting cabin depressurization from the incident.
In any event, let's stay on topic here : if anyone who has further insights into this fare specifically and/or how one could construct a fare on the routing to either lower the fare or increase milage it would be appreciated.
Cheers,
James
Feb 27, 2019, 12:12 pm
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AI is a perfectly safe airline to fly. I don’t know why safety keeps coming up as a issue in these forums. AI’s safety record is quite good and in general their long haul pilots are exceptional.
If you want to worry about safety I hope none of you are flying any airlines within or from USA - https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#5c0f68882a38 or SAS which JACDEC ranks as the most unsafe airline in Europe!
AI is a good airline...high marks for food, drinks and service both in Y and J. AI is an poor airline during IROPS, for IFE & seats - you can find some broken seats on flights more frequently than others but generally their cushioned seats are more comfortable than the slimline crap that other airlines are throwing at you. I think they’re flying new dreamliners between ARN-DEL & DEL-SIN so seat should not be an issue.
Also the airports in BOM & DEL are very good and the lounge in BOM is great. *A lounges in DEL are average or slightly above average.
In short there’s little reason not to fly them on this deal J fare other than misconceived notions.
If you want to worry about safety I hope none of you are flying any airlines within or from USA - https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#5c0f68882a38 or SAS which JACDEC ranks as the most unsafe airline in Europe!
AI is a good airline...high marks for food, drinks and service both in Y and J. AI is an poor airline during IROPS, for IFE & seats - you can find some broken seats on flights more frequently than others but generally their cushioned seats are more comfortable than the slimline crap that other airlines are throwing at you. I think they’re flying new dreamliners between ARN-DEL & DEL-SIN so seat should not be an issue.
Also the airports in BOM & DEL are very good and the lounge in BOM is great. *A lounges in DEL are average or slightly above average.
In short there’s little reason not to fly them on this deal J fare other than misconceived notions.
Feb 27, 2019, 2:20 pm
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Feb 27, 2019, 2:40 pm
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....for many airlines you will find safety incidents from time to time. WN had an engine grenade itself last year killing a passenger. Was this the cause of the pilots messing up? No! In fact the PIC did an exceptional job landing the plane safely and quickly given the resulting cabin depressurization from the incident.
in 2015 a pilot for GermanWings, Lufthansa's low cost airline, deliberately flew his aircraft into the ground, killing 150 passengers and crew.
And yet when AF and LH come up in these threads, nobody jumps up and down warning of "safety issues".
Fair to say there's an element of double standards somewhere in play here ?
Feb 27, 2019, 3:26 pm
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Getting back on topic, one concern to keep in mind is that Pakistan has just closed off their airspace to commercial aviation. I'm no expert in geography but suspect this might have an impact on the routing of AI flights and possible even QR to say nothing of the various global airlines in the world.
There are also a couple other AI ex-Europe -> Asia fares out there:
ARN > HKG - 1,400 EUR:
https://www.google.com/flights?lite=...5*2.USD.161675
Decent sized layover in each direction in DEL however if you play around with the dates you may be able to find a shorter layover. However, unlike the top itinerary both legs (ARN>DEL and DEL>HKG) feature lie flats on a 787!
-James
There are also a couple other AI ex-Europe -> Asia fares out there:
ARN > HKG - 1,400 EUR:
https://www.google.com/flights?lite=...5*2.USD.161675
Decent sized layover in each direction in DEL however if you play around with the dates you may be able to find a shorter layover. However, unlike the top itinerary both legs (ARN>DEL and DEL>HKG) feature lie flats on a 787!
-James
Feb 28, 2019, 9:08 am
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Getting back on topic, one concern to keep in mind is that Pakistan has just closed off their airspace to commercial aviation. I'm no expert in geography but suspect this might have an impact on the routing of AI flights and possible even QR to say nothing of the various global airlines in the world.
There are also a couple other AI ex-Europe -> Asia fares out there:
ARN > HKG - 1,400 EUR:
https://www.google.com/flights?lite=...5*2.USD.161675
Decent sized layover in each direction in DEL however if you play around with the dates you may be able to find a shorter layover. However, unlike the top itinerary both legs (ARN>DEL and DEL>HKG) feature lie flats on a 787!
-James
There are also a couple other AI ex-Europe -> Asia fares out there:
ARN > HKG - 1,400 EUR:
https://www.google.com/flights?lite=...5*2.USD.161675
Decent sized layover in each direction in DEL however if you play around with the dates you may be able to find a shorter layover. However, unlike the top itinerary both legs (ARN>DEL and DEL>HKG) feature lie flats on a 787!
-James
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...s-del-bom.html
Feb 28, 2019, 9:36 am
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The AFPAK FIR is closed this week due to Pakistan closing their airspace. All flights (not only AI) are being diverted south and have 1-2h detours. In the big picture this is not a big deal.
Feb 28, 2019, 3:00 pm
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That's what I don't get with mileage runs. If something happens, because flying isn't 100% safe, do you feel it is worth it because you were getting a higher status level? Would you go somewhere less safe for the sake of getting more miles?
Maybe some people like the thrill of trying to get in and out of a country with difficult immigration in a few hours, but if you get stuck there and they detain you it doesn't seem fun to me.
Mar 1, 2019, 12:38 am
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Southern Ukraine airspace was not closed to traffic, Pakistan is today and all traffic being diverted by the authorities. It is not up to the ops of the airlines to decide... apples and oranges.
Mar 14, 2019, 9:55 am
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It has been a little but longer than 'today'
Mar 14, 2019, 10:24 am
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Yeah, huge impact on the AI flights to/from CPH. Consistently, delayed several hours when arriving and departing CPH. AI157 and AI158 tonight are particularly bad. Arrival CPH at 03:15 tomorrow (scheduled arrival 17:50 tonight) and departure from CPH postponed until 9AM tomorrow (scheduled depart. 19:50 tonight). I haven't checked the ARN flights but assume it would be the same.
I suppose many pax from Scandinavia will be transferring to BKK flight at DEL? (AI has very competitive Y fares to BKK from Denmark).
I suppose many pax from Scandinavia will be transferring to BKK flight at DEL? (AI has very competitive Y fares to BKK from Denmark).
Mar 14, 2019, 10:34 am
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Mar 14, 2019, 10:40 am
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As of today, fare seems gone, was available for over two months if I remember correctly. I expect it to return in few months unless QR makes another U-turn in pricing policy. just FYI right now Air China is available for 1333 EUR using OTAs.
https://www.headforpoints.com/2019/0...wards-tickets/
https://www.headforpoints.com/2019/0...wards-tickets/