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AirCanada881 Dec 5, 2018 2:48 am

[nh] business ams-hnd 1980 eur r/t
 
Several possibilities via FRA or VIE with ANA as the long haul leg

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RollAnotherFatOne Dec 5, 2018 2:55 am

Nice price.

108912 Dec 5, 2018 5:40 am

Great find.

VERY rare to find good J fares on the two excellent Japanese carriers.

Tokyoite Dec 5, 2018 6:12 am

[KVS Tool 9.0.2/Diamond - Fare Rules: AMS-HND/NH/PRNJNL/*]
Code:

[Rule Application & Other Conditions]
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
BUSINESS VALUE 14 FARES FROM NETHERLANDS TO JAPAN.
APPLICATION
 AREA
  THESE FARES APPLY
  FROM FRANCE
  TO JAPAN.
 CLASS OF SERVICE
  THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE.
 CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
  THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
  CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
  THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
  AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
  WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
  FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER'S BEST
  JUDGEMENT.

[Advance Reservations/Ticketing]
CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT
LEAST 60 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE
COMPLETED AT LEAST 60 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      -V1-
      DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL
      DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE
      LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED
      TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE.
      THE MORE RESTRICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES.
      ----
      ANY RESERVATION FOR FARES WITH TICKETING DEADLINE
      NOT TICKETED AT LEAST 26 HOURS
      BEFORE DEPARTURE WILL BE CANCELLED. THIS APPLIES
      IN ADDITION TO THE ABOVE MENTIONED DEADLINES.
      RESERVATIONS MADE WITHIN 26 HOURS BEFORE DEPARTURE
      REQUIRE TICKETING AT THE SAME TIME.

[Minimum Stay]
TRAVEL FROM LAST INTERNATIONAL STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE
NO EARLIER THAN 6 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE
ORIGIN.

[Maximum Stay]
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
1 MONTH AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

[Stopovers]
NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.

[Transfers]
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      UNLESS RESTRICTED BY ROUTING ATTACHED TO FARE
      RECORDS.

[Sales/Ticketing Restrictions]
ORIGINATING JAPAN -
  TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF NH OR LH.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF NH OR LX.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF NH OR HR.
  OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF NH OR OS.

[Penalties]
CANCELLATIONS

  ANY TIME
    CHARGE EUR 250.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND.
    WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE
      REFUND PERMITTED BEFORE DEPARTURE IN CASE OF
      REJECTION OF VISA. EMBASSY STATEMENT REQUIRED.
      ---------------------
      REFUND RULES APPLY PER PRICING UNIT.
      ---------------------
      WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
      REFUNDABLE FARES
      1. THE MOST RESTRICTIVE CANCELLATION CONDITION
      APPLIES TO THE ENTIRE PRICING UNIT.
      2. THE HIGHEST CANCELLATION PENALTY WITHIN THE
      PRICING UNIT WILL BE CHARGED.
      ---------------------
      REFUND FOR PARTLY USED TICKETS-
      IF A RETURN TICKET SHALL BE USED FOR ONE WAY
      TRAVEL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RETURN FARE AND
      THE APPLICABLE ONE WAY FARE WILL/SHALL BE
      CALCULATED.
      ANY CREDIT WILL BE REFUNDED LESS ANY APPLICABLE
      CANCELLATION PENALTY.
      ---------------------
      CHILD DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY.
      INFANT WITHOUT SEAT FREE OF CHARGE.
      ---------------------
      REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES PAID TO THIRD PARTIES
      PERMITTED.
      EXCEPT FOR TAXES THAT ARE LEGALLY NON-REFUNDABLE.
      PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGES APPLICABLE TO
      US AIRPORTS WITH TAX CODES- US/ZP/XF ARE
      REFUNDABLE
      WHEN THE FARE IS REFUNDABLE AND NON-REFUNDABLE
      WHEN THE FARE IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
      GERMAN AVIATION SECURITY CHARGE IS POTENTIALLY
      REFUNDABLE FOR TRANSFER
      PASSENGERS ARRIVING FROM US/ CA OR ME HAVING
      TRANSFER IN FRA TERMINAL 1 WITH NO ADDITIONAL
      SECURITY CHECK BY FEDERAL POLICE IN FRA.
      REFUND OF UNUSED YQ PERMITTED.
      REFUND OF UNUSED YR NOT PERMITTED.
      THIS ALSO INCLUDES LH/LX/OS/SN DCC - DISTRIBUTION
      COST CHARGE - SHOWN AS YR ON THE TICKET.
      ---------------------
      FOR TOTALLY UNUSED TICKET- REFUND OF UNUSED YQ
      PERMITTED.
      FOR PARTIALLY USED TICKET- SHOULD THE APPLICABLE
      FARE FOR THE ROUTING TRAVELLED BE HIGHER THAN THE
      FARE ORIGINALLY PAID- THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
      APPLICABLE FARE AND THE FARE ORIGINALLY PAID
      SHALL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE YQ AMOUNT.
      THE YQ IS USED TO COVER POSSIBLE RESIDUAL AMOUNTS
      RESULTING FROM CANCELLATION PENALTIES HIGHER THAN
      THE FARE AMOUNT.
      ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CANCELLATION PENALTY AND
      THE FARE ORIGINALLY PAID SHALL BE DEDUCTED FROM
      THE YQ AMOUNT
      ONLY THE YQ RESIDUAL AMOUNT CAN BE THEN REFUNDED.
      --------------------
      THE OPTIONAL PAYMENT CHARGE IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
      ---------------------
      REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
      ---------------------
      ANY ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE
      AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET REMAINS
      NON REFUNDABLE AND WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD TO ANY
      REISSUED/EXCHANGED TICKET.

CHANGES

  ANY TIME
    CHANGES NOT PERMITTED.
    WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      REISSUE/REVALIDATION/EXCHANGE/NO-SHOW NOT
      PERMITTED.
      REFER TO REFUND SECTION IF APPLICABLE.
      -------------
      WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE.
      -------------
      RULES FOR CHANGES APPLY BY FARE
      COMPONENT/DIRECTION.
      -------------
      IN CASE OF FARE COMBINATION CHARGE THE HIGHEST
      FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS.
      -------------
      IN CASE OF SUBSEQUENT REISSUE/EXCHANGE THE
      ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE FARE - OR REFUND PENALTY
      AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE.

[Combinations]
END-ON-END
  END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC
  FARES WITHIN FRANCE/JAPAN. VALIDATE ALL FARE
  COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO
  RESTRICTIONS.
  END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH NH
  INTERNATIONAL FARES. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS.
  SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
OPEN JAWS
  FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
  -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
  A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
  PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/
  LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN FARE
  COMPONENT.
  PROVIDED -
    WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS
    -WITHIN AREA 1/WITHIN AREA 2 OR WITHIN AREA 3
    COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX/OS/
    SN/LH IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.
    WHEN THE OPEN SEGMENT OCCURS
    -WITHIN AREA 1/WITHIN AREA 2 OR WITHIN AREA 3
    COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER TG/OZ/
    CA/SK/NH IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
    IPREUAS - BETWEEN EUROPE-AREA 3
    IPRTS  - BETWEEN AREA 2-AREA 3 VIA SIBERIA.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
  FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
  -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
  -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
  A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
  PERMITTED.
  PROVIDED -
    COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LX/OS/
    SN/LH IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.
    COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER TG/OZ/
    CA/SK/NH IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
    IPREUAS - BETWEEN EUROPE-AREA 3
    IPRTS  - BETWEEN AREA 2-AREA 3 VIA SIBERIA.

[HIP/Mileage Exceptions]
THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR
STOPOVERS.

[Ticket Endorsement]
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
- FARE RESTRICTION MAY APPLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

[Children Discounts]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
  THE FARE.
      TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND PERCENT APPLIED.
  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
    COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
      PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND PERCENT APPLIED.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10
      PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND PERCENT APPLIED.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. ID REQUIRED -
      CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND PERCENT APPLIED.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      UNACCOMPANIED CHILD UNDER 5 YEARS OF AGE WILL NOT
      BE ACCEPTED FOR CARRIAGE.

[Eligibility]
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[Day/Time]
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[Seasonality]
NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[Flight Application]
NO FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[Blackout Dates]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.

[Surcharges]
NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[Accompanied Travel]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.

[Travel Restrictions]
NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[Tour Conductor Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.

[Agent Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.

[All Other Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.

[Miscellaneous Provisions]
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Fare By Rule]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[Groups]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Tours]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Visit Another Country]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Deposits]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Voluntary Changes]
<SPECIFIC CATEGORY REQUEST REQUIRED> FOR VOLUNTARY CHGS.

[Voluntary Refunds]
CHECK CATEGORY 16 OR CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

[Negotiated Fares]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[International Construction]
NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE


htb Dec 21, 2018 9:18 am


Originally Posted by Tokyoite (Post 30500956)
[KVS Tool 9.0.2/Diamond - Fare Rules: AMS-HND/NH/PRNJNL/*]
[Rule Application & Other Conditions]
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.

...
[Penalties]
CANCELLATIONS
ANY TIME
CHARGE EUR 250.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND.
..

I had to cancel one of these tickets (AMS-FRA-HND and back) issued by LH, on LH metal on all for segments (LH seems to offer the exact same fare code on that route with the same restrictions as well). Online, the computer only wanted to refund around 94€ in taxes even though the website clearly displayed the 250€ cancellation fee. I had to call in to get a real refund with only 250€ deducted.

Now I'm waiting for the credit card statement to see how much money I'm actually getting back: for some reason emails from Lufthansa ticketing don't make it into my email account. And no: they are not in the spam folder. They simply never arrive.

HTB.


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