HMPS

Thanks for your help. Signed up for the VPN service. All of Jan shows high prices. Folks am I doing something wrong ?

We are talking business class here, correct ?

Barkinpark

My guess is that in January, businesspeople return to work and conventions begin.

swingaling

I think you're over-complicating things a bit. Found a flight in Jan in about 10 seconds. I'll PM you.

rotatev2

I see it available on Google Flights for $1,418, not as cheap as before but still hundreds of dollars less than any other flight.

honzeek_cz

swingaling

What's the correct price? ₹105,005 is the price I found. I haven't proceeded to booking because I'm not going to fly it. Should be bookable with an Indian OTA. via, cleartrip and yatra should all work. Perhaps SQ direct if using a VPN.

kaffir76

The lowest J fare I found on SQ's own website is -

INR 105,000 / USD 1,500 (ONE WAY)
INR 190,000 / USD 2,700 (R/T)

I remember about a month or two ago, it was INR 160,000 / USD 2,200 (R/T)
I did not try searching on any OTA site.
Anyways, I wasn't planning to book this otherwise, I would have jumped on it when it was INR 160k but a travel blogger has just completed this trip OW from AMD-EWR & reading his review, I'm not sure if he liked it or not.

HMPS

Thanks for the info. Clicking on any gives higher prices. Found one seat for Jan 14. We are 2. Cannot get anywhere for alternate dates, some avaiable for INR 142000 (1945 USD at USD=INR 73).
But your help is much appreciated.

swingaling

Alternatively, get yourself to DEL. MH has an excellent one way J fare to JFK for $1,250. The long legs are on JAL. It's not *A, but the price is good.

https://goo.gl/flights/9mRzf

Barkinpark

Thanks, folks.

My previous message:
I am interested in stopping over in both SIN & HKG.
Does this fare allow a free (or low-cost) stopover in HKG if I want to return to SFO?

I tried using Yatra but it doesn't show the detailed fare rules. Also, I don't know how to hack my VPN to make SQ think that I am in India.

New message:
In SQ website, I see that the fare basis is D15IIRA2.

In the stopover section, it says:
"FOR FARES WITH FOOTNOTE D UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT."

I couldn't find Footnote D in the fare rules. This clause also doesn't specify whether the stopover is limited to SIN.
Would appreciate your help.

HMPS

Thanks. Yes seen the MH. Out of BOM it varied between 1200 & 1800 BOM-KUL-NRT-ORD. Last leg on JAL.

What I or others need to do is what I read on an Antiques Mall wall..." Best time to buy an antique is the first time you saw /liked it"!

epigram

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seasonality

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flight application

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maximum stay

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stopovers

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transfers

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refundable amount remains non-refundable.
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utilised and cannot be refunded or rebooked
unless proof of cancellation for the reservations
on affected ticket before scheduled flight
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conditions will apply to the entire journey.
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a service fee of usd25 applies per ticket
requiring issue/reissue through sq/mi ticket
offices in or outside india.
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ticket may be reissued for subsequent use before
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1/3/6 months or ticket validity i.e date of issue
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processsed for refund and 18.00 percent goods
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children discounts

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tours

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voluntary changes

for ticketing on/before 19jan18
in the event of changes to ticketed flights
for infant without a seat psgr
anytime within ticket validity
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overridden by those of sq international fares
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and
reprice
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based on travel commencement
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
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3. Mi/sq fares are used
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public tariff. Private fares are used if ticketed
fare is in private tariff
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current fares/from previous tkt issue date if
historical fares to departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
Or -
for infant without a seat psgr
anytime within ticket validity
certain domestic reissue provisions may be overridden
by those of sq international fares
no charge for revalidation charge highest fee of all
fare components and
reprice using fares in effect when tkt was issued
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. No change to stopovers and connections/fare
breaks
2. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
3. Fully flown fare not repriced to further point
4. Mi/sq same fare class fares governed by same
rule is used
5. New tkt has equal or higher value than previous
tkt
6. All rule and booking code provisions are met
7. Adv res is measured from original tkt date to
departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
For ticketing on/before 19jan18
in the event of changes to ticketed flights
anytime within ticket validity
certain domestic reissue provisions may be
overridden by those of sq international fares
charge usd 150.00 or highest fee of all fare
components and
reprice
a. Before journey departure use fares in effect
today
b. After journey departure use historical fares
based on travel commencement
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
2. Fully flown fare not repriced to further point
3. Change is before original scheduled flight
4. Mi/sq fares are used
5. Public fares are used if ticketed fare is in
public tariff. Private fares are used if ticketed
fare is in private tariff
6. New tkt has equal or higher value than previous
tkt
7. Adv res is measured from new tkt issue date if
current fares/from previous tkt issue date if
historical fares to departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
Or -
anytime within ticket validity
certain domestic reissue provisions may be overridden
by those of sq international fares
charge usd 150.00 for revalidation or highest fee of
all fare components and
reprice using fares in effect when tkt was issued
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. No change to stopovers and connections/fare
breaks
2. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
3. Fully flown fare not repriced to further point
4. Change is before original scheduled flight
5. Mi/sq same fare class fares governed by same
rule is used
6. New tkt has equal or higher value than previous
tkt
7. All rule and booking code provisions are met
8. Adv res is measured from original tkt date to
departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
For ticketing on/before 19jan18
in the event of changes to ticketed flights
anytime within ticket validity
certain domestic reissue provisions may be
overridden by those of sq international fares
charge usd 200.00 or highest fee of all fare
components and
reprice
a. Before journey departure use fares in effect
today
b. After journey departure use historical fares
based on travel commencement
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
2. Fully flown fare not repriced to further point
3. Change is after original scheduled flight
4. Mi/sq fares are used
5. Public fares are used if ticketed fare is in
public tariff. Private fares are used if ticketed
fare is in private tariff
6. New tkt has equal or higher value than previous
tkt
7. Adv res is measured from new tkt issue date if
current fares/from previous tkt issue date if
historical fares to departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
Or -
anytime within ticket validity
certain domestic reissue provisions may be overridden
by those of sq international fares
charge usd 200.00 for revalidation or highest fee of
all fare components and
reprice using fares in effect when tkt was issued
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. No change to stopovers and connections/fare
breaks
2. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
3. Fully flown fare not repriced to further point
4. Change is after original scheduled flight
5. Mi/sq same fare class fares governed by same
rule is used
6. New tkt has equal or higher value than previous
tkt
7. All rule and booking code provisions are met
8. Adv res is measured from original tkt date to
departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
For ticketing on/after 20jan18
in the event of changes to ticketed flights
for infant without a seat psgr
anytime within ticket validity
certain domestic reissue provisions may be
overridden by those of sq international fares
no charge charge highest fee of all fare components
and
reprice
a. Before journey departure use fares in effect
today
b. After journey departure use historical fares
based on travel commencement
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
2. Fully flown fare not repriced to further point
3. Mi/sq fares are used
4. Public fares are used if ticketed fare is in
public tariff. Private fares are used if ticketed
fare is in private tariff
5. New tkt has equal or higher value than previous
tkt
6. Adv res is measured from new tkt issue date if
current fares/from previous tkt issue date if
historical fares to departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
Or -
for infant without a seat psgr
anytime within ticket validity
certain domestic reissue provisions may be overridden
by those of sq international fares
no charge for revalidation charge highest fee of all
fare components and
reprice using fares in effect when tkt was issued
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. No change to stopovers and connections/fare
breaks
2. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
3. Fully flown fare not repriced to further point
4. Mi/sq same fare class fares governed by same
rule is used
5. New tkt has equal or higher value than previous
tkt
6. All rule and booking code provisions are met
7. Adv res is measured from original tkt date to
departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
For ticketing on/after 20jan18
in the event of changes to ticketed flights
anytime within ticket validity
certain domestic reissue provisions may be
overridden by those of sq international fares
charge usd 250.00 or highest fee of all fare
components and
reprice
a. Before journey departure use fares in effect
today
b. After journey departure use historical fares
based on travel commencement
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
2. Fully flown fare not repriced to further point
3. Change is before original scheduled flight
4. Mi/sq fares are used
5. Public fares are used if ticketed fare is in
public tariff. Private fares are used if ticketed
fare is in private tariff
6. New tkt has equal or higher value than previous
tkt
7. Adv res is measured from new tkt issue date if
current fares/from previous tkt issue date if
historical fares to departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
Or -
anytime within ticket validity
certain domestic reissue provisions may be overridden
by those of sq international fares
charge usd 250.00 for revalidation or highest fee of
all fare components and
reprice using fares in effect when tkt was issued
provided all of the following conditions are met-
1. No change to stopovers and connections/fare
breaks
2. When no intl coupons remain - all new travel
must be domestic
3. Fully flown fare not repriced to further point
4. Change is before original scheduled flight
5. Mi/sq same fare class fares governed by same
rule is used
6. New tkt has equal or higher value than previous
tkt
7. All rule and booking code provisions are met
8. Adv res is measured from original tkt date to
departure of pricing unit
refund via original form of payment
endorsement box - new endorsements.
.

voluntary refunds

check category 16 or contact carrier for details.

negotiated fares

not applicable.

international construction

not a constructed fare
.

Barkinpark

Thanks. So, do the UNLIMITED stopovers include cities on-route that are not SIN? I am not familiar with the fine details of fare rules.

epigram

yes, you can.

Pseudo Nim

Is this still alive?