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AV/BR: SAL-TPE in Business $2,356

AV/BR: SAL-TPE in Business $2,356

Old Dec 4, 17, 5:37 pm
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AV/BR: SAL-TPE in Business $2,356

Good deals for EVA long-haul J have been fairly rare. This is an Avianca K-class fare between San Salvador and Taipei connecting at LAX, SFO, or JFK. The fare rules say two free stopovers, but I haven't been able to get an itinerary with stopovers to price properly.

Example:
SAL-JFK-TPE-LAX-SAL -- $2,356

Full rules:
Code:
Avianca (AV) KEA00ZI2 SAL to TPE

General notes
REGULAR EXCURSION FARES                   K
Between AREA 1 and AREA 3 FOR ROUND TRIP FARES

Category 4: Flight restrictions
  THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
      ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        ANY DL FLIGHT OPERATED BY AV
        ANY 2K FLIGHT OPERATED BY AV.
  AND
  THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
      ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        4M FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 5499
        4M FLIGHTS 5700 THROUGH 5999
        4M FLIGHTS 9000 THROUGH 9999
        AC FLIGHTS 2200 THROUGH 6137
        AC FLIGHTS 6184 THROUGH 6999
        AC FLIGHTS 7200 THROUGH 7649
        AC FLIGHTS 9000 THROUGH 9999
        AF FLIGHTS 3600 THROUGH 3799
        AF FLIGHTS 4400 THROUGH 4499
        AF FLIGHTS 4600 THROUGH 4999
        AF FLIGHTS 6300 THROUGH 6399
        AF FLIGHTS 8000 THROUGH 8179
        AF FLIGHTS 8200 THROUGH 9999
        AR FLIGHTS 0001 THROUGH 0999
        AR FLIGHTS 1122 THROUGH 1129
        AR FLIGHTS 1138 THROUGH 1139
        AR FLIGHTS 1950 THROUGH 1999
        AZ FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 3999
        AZ FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7999
        CO FLIGHTS 3160 THROUGH 3199
        CO FLIGHTS 3490 THROUGH 5799
        CO FLIGHTS 5990 THROUGH 8634
        DL FLIGHTS 6800 THROUGH 7299
        DL FLIGHTS 7400 THROUGH 9999
        IB FLIGHTS 4000 THROUGH 4999
        IB FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7999
        LA FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 5499
        LA FLIGHTS 5700 THROUGH 5999
        LA FLIGHTS 9000 THROUGH 9999
        LP FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 5499
        LP FLIGHTS 5700 THROUGH 5999
        LP FLIGHTS 9000 THROUGH 9999
        MX FLIGHTS 1765 THROUGH 4499
        MX FLIGHTS 8000 THROUGH 8999
        SN FLIGHTS 4000 THROUGH 9999
        TP FLIGHTS 4000 THROUGH 9999
        XL FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 5499
        XL FLIGHTS 5700 THROUGH 5999
        XL FLIGHTS 9000 THROUGH 9999.
  AND
  THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
      ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        BA FLIGHTS 1500 THROUGH 1999
        BA FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 7949
        BA FLIGHTS 8200 THROUGH 8449
        BA FLIGHTS 8498 THROUGH 8699
        BA FLIGHTS 8770 THROUGH 9999
        LY FLIGHTS 8000 THROUGH 8999
        QR FLIGHTS 4000 THROUGH 5999
        KE FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7999
        CZ FLIGHTS 0701 THROUGH 0799
        CZ FLIGHTS 1001 THROUGH 1999
        CZ FLIGHTS 4001 THROUGH 5999
        CZ FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7999
        CA FLIGHTS 1151 THROUGH 1200
        CA FLIGHTS 4600 THROUGH 4999
        CA FLIGHTS 4087 THROUGH 4098
        CA FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 3999
        CA FLIGHTS 6501 THROUGH 6700
        CA FLIGHTS 8001 THROUGH 9000
        SQ FLIGHTS 1000 THROUGH 5001
        SQ FLIGHTS 5400 THROUGH 9999
        SA FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7950
        AV FLIGHTS 6102 THROUGH 6207.

Category 5: Advanced reservation/ticketing restrictions
  ORIGINATING AREA 1 -
    RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
    WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 5 DAYS BEFORE
    DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 72 HOURS
    AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
    OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
         TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED THE DAY RESERVATIONS
         ARE MADE.

Category 6: Minimum stay requirements
  TRAVEL FROM LAST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO
  EARLIER THAN 5 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST
  INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.

Category 7: Maximum stay requirements
  TRAVEL FROM LAST SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
  MIDNIGHT 365 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

Category 8: Stopover restrictions
  ORIGINATING AREA 1 -
    UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT
       LIMITED TO 2 FREE AND UNLIMITED AT USD 80.00 EACH.
       NO STOPOVER OCCURS IF PASSENGER TAKES NEXT AVAILABLE
        FLIGHT WITHIN 24 HOURS.

Category 10: Combinability
   END-ON-END PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL
   FARE COMPONENTS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA POINT OF COMBINATION.
   APPLICABLE ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN
   MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23.
  OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
    FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
    -TO FORM SINGLE OPEN JAWS
     OPEN JAWS NOTE -
       WHEN COMBINED WITH OTHER FARES TO FORM ROUND/OPEN
       JAW TRIPS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS APPLY.
       THESE INCLUDE MINIMUM/MAXIMUM STAY/RESERVATION/
       TICKETING REQUIREMENTS/STOPOVER/CANCELLATION
       PENALTIES/COMBINATION PROVISIONS.
    ROUND TRIPS CIRCLE TRIPS.
    OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -
      MOST RESTRICTED RULE APPLIES.
   PROVIDED -
     COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER AV IN ANY
      RULE IN THIS TARIFF.

Category 12: Surcharges
  IF INFANT UNDER 02 WITHOUT A SEAT.
  OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02.
    THERE IS NO CHARGE FOR TRAVEL PER FARE COMPONENT.
  OTHERWISE
    ORIGINATING SAL -
      A FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 63.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL
      BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
         NOTE -
          THE FUEL SURCHARGE APPLIES IN ADDITION TO ALL
          OTHER CHARGES AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY DISCOUNT.
          WHEN A FUEL SURCHARGE IS COLLECTED IT MUST BE
          DENOTED AS A -Q- CHARGE ON EACH TICKET ACCORDINGLY

Category 15: Sales restrictions
  TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA.
         NOTE -
          A USD 600.00 PENALTY APPLIES IF SOLD IN
          VENEZUELA.

Category 16: Penalties
  ORIGINATING AREA 1 -
    CANCELLATIONS
      ANY TIME
        CHARGE USD 200.00 FOR REFUND.
        WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE/ILLNESS OR DEATH OF
          PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
         NOTE -
          -FAMILY MEMBER MUST BE FIRST DEGREE RELATIVE.
          WAIVER ALSO APPLIES FOR TRAVELING COMPANION.
          ILLNESS/DEATH WAIVERS MUST BE SUBSTANTIATED BY A
          VALID MEDICAL/DEATH CERTIFICATE.
    CHANGES
      ANY TIME
        CHARGE USD 170.00.
        WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE/ILLNESS OR DEATH OF
          PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
         NOTE -
          -FAMILY MEMBER MUST BE FIRST DEGREE RELATIVE-
          WAIVER ALSO APPLIES FOR TRAVELING COMPANION
          ILLNESS/DEATH WAIVERS MUST BE SUBSTANTIATED BY A
          VALID MEDICAL/DEATH CERTIFICATE.
          --------------------------------
          NOTE-
          -TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED WHEN ANY VOLUNTARY
           CHANGE IS MADE.
          -SEE /CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNT/ IN FARE RULE TO
           DETERMINE IF APPLICABLE.

Category 18: Endorsements
  THE ORIGINAL TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - REFUND FEE
  APPLIES/ - AND - CHANGE FEE APPLIES - AND - AND PLUS FARE
  DIFF/NON END - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

Category 19: Discounts
  ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
        TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH
  OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
         FARE
  OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT
         OF THE FARE.
             TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
         NOTE -
          AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
          OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
          CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
  OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
         FARE.
             TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
         NOTE -
          UNNACOMPANIED MINOR UNDER 5 YEARS NOT PERMITTED.
          NOTA-
          EL SERVICIO DE RECOMENDADOS TIENE UN COSTO DE
          USD 75 POR TRAYECTO INTERNACIONAL.
          NOTA-
          NO SE ACEPTARAN MENORES SIN ACOMPANAR EN CONEXION
          ENTRE AV E IB.
          AV NO PUEDE ACEPTAR NINGUN MENOR SIN ACOMPANAR DE
          IB EN CONEXION CON VUELOS DE AV- NI IB PUEDE
          ACEPTAR NINGUN MENOR SIN ACOMPANAR DE AV EN
          CONEXION CON VUELOS DE IB.
          SI QUEREMOS VENDER UN MENOR SIN ACOMPANAR EN
          DESTINOS BEYOND MAD-LO DEBEMOS HACER CON OTRA
          AEROLINEA- .REVISAR LAS POSIBILIDADES EN EL
          ROUTING.

Category 31: Voluntary changes
  ORIGINATING AREA 1 -
    IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
     BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT
     VALIDITY
      CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
      BY THOSE OF AV/LR/TA INTERNATIONAL FARES
       CHARGE USD 170.00 FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
       CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY
       AND
        REPRICE USING CURRENTLY TKTD FARE
         PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
         1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
         2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
         MUST BE DOMESTIC
         3. AV/LR/TA FARES ARE USED
         4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
         5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
         DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
         PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
         1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
         MUST BE DOMESTIC
         2. AV/LR/TA FARES ARE USED
         3. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
         DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
        OR -
        REPRICE USING CURRENT FARES - ONLY BOOKING CODE
        CHANGES PERMITTED
         PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
         1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
         MUST BE DOMESTIC
         2. AV/LR/TA FARES ARE USED
         3. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
         DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
     WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
     ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA MCO
     ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
     ENDORSEMENTS.
    OR -
          AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT
          VALIDITY
           CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE
           OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF AV/LR/TA INTERNATIONAL
           FARES
            CHARGE USD 170.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED
            FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY
            AND
             REPRICE USING CURRENTLY TKTD FARE
              PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE
              MET-
              1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
              2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW
              TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC
              3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER
              POINT
              4. AV/LR/TA FARES ARE USED
              5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE
              MET
              6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE
              TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
             OR -
             REPRICE
             A. FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USE CURRENTLY
             TKTD FARE
             B. ALL OTHERS USE FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
              PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE
              MET-
              1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
              2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW
              TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC
              3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER
              POINT
              4. AV/LR/TA FARES ARE USED
              5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE
              MET
              6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM NEW TKT ISSUE DATE
              IF CURRENT FARES/FROM PREVIOUS TKT ISSUE DATE
              IF HISTORICAL FARES TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING
              UNIT
             OR -
             REPRICE USING CURRENT FARES - ONLY BOOKING CODE
             CHANGES PERMITTED
              PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE
              MET-
              1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
              2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW
              TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC
              3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER
              POINT
              4. AV FARES ARE USED
              5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
              DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
          WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL
          THEN ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA MCO
          ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
          ENDORSEMENTS.

Category 50: Application
SPECIAL ROUND TRIP FARE APPLICABLE BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3
 APPLICATION
   CLASS OF SERVICE
     THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
   TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
     THIS RULE GOVERNS ROUND-TRIP FARES.
     FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
     ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
 CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
   THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED
   ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH
   FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS.
   THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE
   AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE
   CARRIERS BEST JUDGMENT
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Old Dec 4, 17, 6:37 pm
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TPE -SAL US$2084 is even better. Very, very tempting!
Avianca, Orbitz & cheapoair seem bookable. Cannot get an itinerary with stopovers also.

Last edited by z4017; Dec 4, 17 at 6:47 pm
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Old Dec 4, 17, 7:32 pm
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Would this be a fare mapping error? Observed on ITAMatrix that in it is a K fare in both directions, which translates to PE on BR.
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Old Dec 4, 17, 7:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Unionruler View Post
Would this be a fare mapping error? Observed on ITAMatrix that in it is a K fare in both directions, which translates to PE on BR.
Yes, K is PE on BR.
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Old Dec 4, 17, 7:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Unionruler View Post
Would this be a fare mapping error? Observed on ITAMatrix that in it is a K fare in both directions, which translates to PE on BR.
I think the question is what Avianca K is.

The fare shows up as "Business Promo" on avianca.com, and while booking you can select a seat in the J cabin (on the AV legs). The confusing thing is that while some *A accrual charts list Avianca K under business (AC, SQ), others list it under economy (LH, UA).
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Old Dec 4, 17, 8:38 pm
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If you crack open the fsre rules for this AV K fare it clearly says economy class. Definitelt not a biz fare.
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Old Dec 4, 17, 10:33 pm
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"Business Promo" is a D fare on AV.
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Old Dec 4, 17, 11:20 pm
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Anyone pulled the trigger on this?

Related to recent fare class changes? Until recently, K was economy:Tickets purchased on or after May 25, 2017 and before July 01, 2017:

Table for international flights, including Europe and flights within Peru
Economy Class
Super Promo U / T / S / W
Econo Z / P / O / L / K / G / E / A / V / Q
Flexi H / M / B / Y
Business Class
Business Promo D / J
Business C

Now K is indeed business:Tickets purchased on or after Jul 01, 2017 and flying on or after Sep. 01, 2017:

Table for international flights, including Europe and flights within Peru
Economy Class
Super Promo U / T / S / W
Econo Z / P / O / L / G / E / V / Q
Flexi H / M / B / Y
Business Class
Business Promo A / D / K
Business J / C
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Old Dec 4, 17, 11:58 pm
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Airline: Avianca (AV 4501)
Operated By EVA Air
Aircraft: Boeing 777-300ER*
Cabin Business
-------------------------------
I did a dummy booking on avianca and from its 'booking detail' it reads as above.
Or this airlines company is not trustworthy?
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Old Dec 19, 17, 7:39 pm
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Well I did pull the trigger booking from expedia and made a phone call to EVA. The lady on the phone confirmed it's business class not PE.
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Old Dec 19, 17, 10:21 pm
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Well I did pull the trigger booking from expedia and made a phone call to EVA. The lady on the phone confirmed it's business class not PE.
What is your booking class?
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Old Dec 19, 17, 10:28 pm
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Originally Posted by TerryK View Post
What is your booking class?
from expedia
Cabin: Business (K)
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Old Dec 20, 17, 10:08 pm
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Originally Posted by z4017 View Post
from expedia
Cabin: Business (K)
Interesting because K/L/T are all Premium Economy on BR if I recall correctly.
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Old Dec 20, 17, 10:51 pm
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Originally Posted by gpeso8 View Post
Interesting because K/L/T are all Premium Economy on BR if I recall correctly.

From EVA's own site 'Earning Miles on Star Alliance Partners - Mileage Table'

AVIANCA (Travel date after 2017/10/12) Business C/D/J/A/K Actual miles x 125%

So avianca's K is business, here I second qupasyd's opinion, we are talking about avianca's not EVA's K booking class.
Actually I've made two phone calls to EVA (trying to select seats), both representatives stated clearly that I booked business seats, so I am not worried.

One annoying problem is about seat selection. Avianca told me to contact directly with EVA for it, and EVA said avianca has to send a request first. So neither of them wants to help assigning my seats. Well, I guess it's a common phenomenon for codeshare booking.
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Old Dec 21, 17, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by stephem View Post
If you crack open the fsre rules for this AV K fare it clearly says economy class. Definitelt not a biz fare.
I'm seeing the same thing on EF. I think i'll pass on this, I have no faith in AV.
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