Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE
LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.
2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.
3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.
4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.
5. Lounges:
Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
6. PTY Customs:
NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)
If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).
Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).
NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)
Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:
LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am
JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**
MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.
2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.
3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.
4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.
5. Lounges:
Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT
= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.
= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.
AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>
AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>
AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>
OTHER AIRPORTS
SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.
= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.
AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>
AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>
AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>
OTHER AIRPORTS
SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
Outbound to MIA -
7. Finding flights: - 12 noon - no lines reported
- 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line
Outbound to MIA -
- 4:40am - no lines reported
NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)
If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).
Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).
NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)
Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:
LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am
JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**
MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
AA: LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY RT $702 in A/J 18.9K EQMs
Jan 26, 2016, 3:22 pm
#61
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Jan 26, 2016, 3:23 pm
#62
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Sorry if this is a stupid question -- I've never been to Panama -- but do Americans have to clear Customs there, even though it's a U.S. protectorate?
Jan 26, 2016, 3:24 pm
#63
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BThumme
I think that person was referring to Miami, not Panama. I have GE so shouldn't be an issue there.
Post #244
Quote:
Originally Posted by jyk228
My sister and I did a MR this past weekend (LAX-MIA-PTY-MIA-JFK-LAX) and wanted to know others' experiences in clearing customs and immigration upon re-entering the U.S.
We had spent the night in Panama, and every customs and immigration official we came across seemed to have difficulties in grasping the concept of MRs and didn't understand why we were only in Panama for one night. We were subject to two separate customs searches and had to deal with four different officials who wanted to know why we were in Panama, our relationship, etc.
Has anyone else encountered any problems? This experience was more of a nuisance than anything else, but I'd like to know if this is a typical experience for PTY mileage runners. If so, I'm thinking that international MRs might not be worth the hassle.
Also, I've got to say I am shocked this deal is still alive!
Originally Posted by BThumme
I think that person was referring to Miami, not Panama. I have GE so shouldn't be an issue there.
Post #244
Quote:
Originally Posted by jyk228
My sister and I did a MR this past weekend (LAX-MIA-PTY-MIA-JFK-LAX) and wanted to know others' experiences in clearing customs and immigration upon re-entering the U.S.
We had spent the night in Panama, and every customs and immigration official we came across seemed to have difficulties in grasping the concept of MRs and didn't understand why we were only in Panama for one night. We were subject to two separate customs searches and had to deal with four different officials who wanted to know why we were in Panama, our relationship, etc.
Has anyone else encountered any problems? This experience was more of a nuisance than anything else, but I'd like to know if this is a typical experience for PTY mileage runners. If so, I'm thinking that international MRs might not be worth the hassle.
Also, I've got to say I am shocked this deal is still alive!
Jan 26, 2016, 3:25 pm
#64
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While I did manage to get wide-body segments in both directions, I'm curious why this is somehow a dealbreaker. It's only a three-hour domestic flight!
Sorry if this is a stupid question -- I've never been to Panama -- but do Americans have to clear Customs there, even though it's a U.S. protectorate?
Sorry if this is a stupid question -- I've never been to Panama -- but do Americans have to clear Customs there, even though it's a U.S. protectorate?
No idea, I am working off the same previous PTY MR threads as everyone else.
Same here ^^
Jan 26, 2016, 3:25 pm
#65
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While I did manage to get wide-body segments in both directions, I'm curious why this is somehow a dealbreaker. It's only a three-hour domestic flight!
Sorry if this is a stupid question -- I've never been to Panama -- but do Americans have to clear Customs there, even though it's a U.S. protectorate?
Sorry if this is a stupid question -- I've never been to Panama -- but do Americans have to clear Customs there, even though it's a U.S. protectorate?
I don't have any wide body flights, so I'm sad, but still great price. Yes Americans pass immigration AFAIK and yes it's easy.
Jan 26, 2016, 3:50 pm
#67
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Just got it!
3-11 to 3-14 LAX to PTY thru MIA,
I fare code along with A fare.
$440.76
Used two SWU's to upgrade A321T's to F. Had 9 so it was a no brainer. May try to do this run a few times. Lots of miles. Dirt cheap prices. Add hotels in NYC and PTY and less than $1000 for the entire trip.
I fare code along with A fare.
$440.76
Used two SWU's to upgrade A321T's to F. Had 9 so it was a no brainer. May try to do this run a few times. Lots of miles. Dirt cheap prices. Add hotels in NYC and PTY and less than $1000 for the entire trip.
Jan 26, 2016, 4:27 pm
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3-11 to 3-14 LAX to PTY thru MIA,
I fare code along with A fare.
$440.76
Used two SWU's to upgrade A321T's to F. Had 9 so it was a no brainer. May try to do this run a few times. Lots of miles. Dirt cheap prices. Add hotels in NYC and PTY and less than $1000 for the entire trip.
I fare code along with A fare.
$440.76
Used two SWU's to upgrade A321T's to F. Had 9 so it was a no brainer. May try to do this run a few times. Lots of miles. Dirt cheap prices. Add hotels in NYC and PTY and less than $1000 for the entire trip.
Jan 26, 2016, 4:35 pm
#69
Join Date: Jan 2016
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I'd love to get in on this deal but am NY based so wouldn't be in it to run out to LA
As regards the customs in Panama I can tell you that you don't have to clear customs. The plane deplaned and loads in the same gate area with no divider. You can simply catch the same flight back. Hope that helps. Have fun
As regards the customs in Panama I can tell you that you don't have to clear customs. The plane deplaned and loads in the same gate area with no divider. You can simply catch the same flight back. Hope that helps. Have fun
Jan 26, 2016, 4:48 pm
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I did this run just over a month ago and have a trip writeup here:
http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/m...december-2015/
I found the Grace Panama hotel to be really amazing. As has been mentioned, the cab ride in is about $30, but if you Google "PTY taxi trick" you'll find instructions on how to snag a taxi at the airport for cheaper. It's true you can take a bus to/from the airport to downtwon for only $1.50, but to ride the bus you need a preloaded smart card, and they don't sell them at the airport. The buses don't take cash.
Think REAL carefully about renting a car for travel in Panama City. I was initially planning on doing so, then changed my mind at the last minute. I'm so glad I did once I saw how bad it was during peak periods. I've haven't been everywhere in the world (mostly Europe), but Panama City's traffic is the worse I've seen so far.
http://www.otherhand.org/home-page/m...december-2015/
I found the Grace Panama hotel to be really amazing. As has been mentioned, the cab ride in is about $30, but if you Google "PTY taxi trick" you'll find instructions on how to snag a taxi at the airport for cheaper. It's true you can take a bus to/from the airport to downtwon for only $1.50, but to ride the bus you need a preloaded smart card, and they don't sell them at the airport. The buses don't take cash.
Think REAL carefully about renting a car for travel in Panama City. I was initially planning on doing so, then changed my mind at the last minute. I'm so glad I did once I saw how bad it was during peak periods. I've haven't been everywhere in the world (mostly Europe), but Panama City's traffic is the worse I've seen so far.
Sorry should have been more clear, I booked into I after verifying A availibility and then used a evip on LAX-JFK and JFK-LAX
Jan 26, 2016, 4:51 pm
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Ended up booking LAX-JFK-MIA-PTY and back for $840, used 15k miles to upgrade to F on the outbound redeye.
Going to Fly A321 in F/J, 772 refurb in a reverse facing J seat, 767 refurb J and what I assume are 2 crappy 737s from Miami.
Going to stay at the Marriot Metro Mall, pretty close to the airport with good rates, and Uber last time around was 17-28 I think.
Jan 26, 2016, 4:57 pm
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happy to answer
Hope that helps answer your questions.
Jan 26, 2016, 4:59 pm
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I typically fly biz class, so I start out in biz. I wanted to use the SWU's before they go away. On the way home, I will have been flying/hanging out at airport for over 11 hours, so I want to get some rest before my work day on Tuesday.
Hope that helps answer your questions.
Hope that helps answer your questions.