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Old Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 pm
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OCTOBER 2016 UPDATE

LAX-JFK TRANSCONTINENTAL FLIGHTS:
Recent fare rule inclusions, effective October 2016, now prevent any routing via JFK on the non-stop transcontinental A321T aircraft. Any future booking will demand a significantly higher fare to route on the non-stops via JFK. Unless the fare rules are modified and these clauses are removed (highly doubtful), the ability to fly on the transcons via JFK is a thing of the past.
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN LAX AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN SFO AND NYC
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
BUT NOT ON AIRBUS INDUSTRIE A321 (SHARKLETS) AIRCRAFT.

1. Same day turns possible on the E-jets and morning 738s.

2. Bonuses now based on fare paid.

3. As of OCTOBER 2016, best fares are now around $1000. Fare tends to rise a few hundred for 2 pax. Fares can also occasionally rise for no discernible reason, but the price spikes have thus far proven to be temporary. Fares have the trend to drop during the year. Keep checking for fares in the $700-$800 ranges for best possible pricing.

4. Airport hotels with shuttles - Crowne Plaza Panama Airport & Riande Aeropuerto. The CP is slightly closer; the Riande is slightly nicer. The CP shuttle leaves the hotel every :00 and :30 and runs 24 hours but they seem to leave a few minutes early as it had left when I went down at 4:00AM on the dot. Also, note UberX charges a US$14 surcharge on top of the ~US$2 fare. CP has poor sound isolation, I could hear my neighbors on both sides including talking, crying baby etc. Had to wear earplugs to sleep.

5. Lounges:

Please refer to this thread for more detailed and accurate information on lounge access in general: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1656378-help-desk-will-i-have-lounge-access-access-rules-2016-a.html
LAX AIRPORT

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on status, it is simply departing/connecting/arriving at any point on same ticket to and from an eligible international destination. PTY is eligible and not excluded regardless of length.

= When trying to gain oneworld J / QF F access based on class of service disregarding status, it is the international long haul clause that applies. Therefore, no "oneworld/QF lounge" access for non-elites for trips to and from PTY unless booking transcons since PTY is under 5 hours. BUT AA doesn't enforce this in their own lounges so Admirals Club access is expected.


AA GOLDs(RUBYs)/NON-ELITES
Admirals Club access is granted regardless of routing as AA does not enforce international long haul rule. However, the oneworld J lounge does for Golds(rubys)/non-elites as they are aware the PTY flights are under 5 hours. Booking transcon flights in J/F gains access to the OWJ/QFF lounges.
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Technically NONE (PTY under 5 hours therefore class of service rule applies) BUT AA still opens Admirals Club doors to all customers because they dont enforce the long-haul rule>

AA PLATINUMs
Platinums gain access to all AC/Business lounges regardless of routing due to flying to and from PTY. They gain access to First/Flagship lounges when traveling in F 3-class transcon
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J lounge + QF F Lounge LAX>
<Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA) in J = Admirals + LAX oneworld J lounge>
<Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + LAX oneworld J>

AA EXPs
EXPs have access to all lounges at all airports regardless of routing so long as they are traveling to and from PTY on the same itinerary (an international destination neither excluded from AA's list of ineligible regions nor limited by the flight length rule)
<EXPs Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs Non-Transcon F (2-class) + PTY = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in Y = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in J = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>
<EXPs on Transcon 3-class (JFK/MIA + PTY) in F = Admirals + Flagship + LAX oneworld J + QF F lounge LAX>

NON-AA ONEWORLD ELITES
All sapphires and emeralds have some form of lounge access on any flight systemwide
<non-AA sapphires on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX>
<non-AA emeralds on ALL AA FLIGHTS = Admirals Club + oneworld J lounge LAX + Flagship Lounge + QF F lounge LAX>



OTHER AIRPORTS

SFO - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee)
JFK - Admirals Club & Flagship Lounge for EXP/First 3-class/Emerald
MIA - Admiral's Club (Centurion Lounge for a fee), Oneworld Premium Lounge for EXP/First 3-Class/Emerald
PTY - No lounge access (Copa with PP, or for a fee, for 7am or later flights)
YVR - No lounge access (PP for a fee)
DFW - Admiral's Club (with F/C Dining for EXP/Emerald) (Centurion Lounge for a fee)


6. PTY Customs:
Inbound to PTY -
  • 12 noon - no lines reported
  • 8PM Fri (5/27/16) - ~10 min line

Outbound to MIA -
  • 4:40am - no lines reported
7. Finding flights:

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

If you want the transcon bonus, enter the search with a connection in JFK. (e.g. LAX-JFK,JFK-MIA,MIA-PTY,PTY-JFK,JFK-SFO.) You can play around from there to get the best deal. Some of the better deals do not start and end in the same city (e.g. start in LAX, end in SFO may be cheaper than start/end in LAX).

Also, it's possible on the outbound portion to time it so you have no more than a 60-minute layover at JFK or MIA (though note that some of these flights aren't available on weekends). While yes, JFK is notorious for delays, this rarely applies for inbound red-eye flights. Also, note that AA 28 below is sometimes "hidden" if you're looking on Google Flights inside a much more expensive trip; that does not necessarily mean, however, that you can't get it for one of the trips under $1,000 (in other words, try it out to see).

NOTE: LAX-JFK NO LONGER VALID FOR LOWEST FARES (effective OCT 2016)

Below is the shortest-possible outbound itinerary that has the LAX-JFK transcon on AA's A321T with flat-bed seats:

LAX-JFK on AA 28
10:45pm - 7:22am

JFK-MIA on AA 200
8:15am - 11:24am
(Note: AA has now switched all of the metal it used on this leg - on all JFK-MIA nonstops - to 757s instead of the 767s with international-style F & J seating.)***767 and 772 are back. Flight 200 is a 772**

MIA-PTY on AA 4434
12:33pm - 2:48pm
(Note: Even more distressingly, AA switched from using a 737 on this leg to an RJ, presumably because summer is off-peak season in Central America. The 6:05pm flight still uses a 737 if a full-size aircraft is a must.)
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Old Mar 25, 2016, 3:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
YVR-LAX can't book into A since A is a first class fare and Canada/US (and the US/Panama) flights all sell as business, so should be either I or D. Didn't know one could do a NYC stopover on this fare either.
Sorry, should have been more specific (it was late in Alaska!): I connect in PHX and the PHX - LAX leg is in A.

And yeah, the NYC stopover was a really pleasant discovery, considering my needs.
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Old Mar 26, 2016, 5:47 pm
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Hi Everyone. I have never done a milage run before. I am going to be in the Seattle region for a few days in May and I want to do this to get a Gold card with Qantas. I travel a fair bit usually with oneworld so having the gold card for a year would be nice for me.
This is a great find, I have been playing around with dates and cities and it does seem if you leave from canada its so much cheaper. I will probably leave from YVR. Im looking at a 10 sector itinerary for around $1000CAD Bargain as 7 are first 3 business.
I am scared about baggage, as I will go into and out of YVR I will just pay to check luggage at storage facility in YVR.
Will I be ok going to PTY landing at 11.30 am and taking off at 3.30pm same day?
I just dont want anyone to think Im a drug smuggler and pull me aside. Will I be able to have a boarding card already and just do an international transfer at PTY or will I need to go landside?
Will Mia customs pull me up thinking I am a drug smuggler?
Will I have access to any AA lounges travelling on this, If I read the rules I think I will as I am travelling outside the states?
Sorry for asking so many questions,
Ive been looking at this and so scared to book as I have never done this before
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Old Mar 26, 2016, 6:14 pm
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Originally Posted by peacefultraveller
Hi Everyone. I have never done a milage run before. I am going to be in the Seattle region for a few days in May and I want to do this to get a Gold card with Qantas. I travel a fair bit usually with oneworld so having the gold card for a year would be nice for me.
This is a great find, I have been playing around with dates and cities and it does seem if you leave from canada its so much cheaper. I will probably leave from YVR. Im looking at a 10 sector itinerary for around $1000CAD Bargain as 7 are first 3 business.
I am scared about baggage, as I will go into and out of YVR I will just pay to check luggage at storage facility in YVR.
Will I be ok going to PTY landing at 11.30 am and taking off at 3.30pm same day?
I just dont want anyone to think Im a drug smuggler and pull me aside. Will I be able to have a boarding card already and just do an international transfer at PTY or will I need to go landside?
Will Mia customs pull me up thinking I am a drug smuggler?
Will I have access to any AA lounges travelling on this, If I read the rules I think I will as I am travelling outside the states?
Sorry for asking so many questions,
Ive been looking at this and so scared to book as I have never done this before
1. From others, you can do the same day turn in PTY.
2. Not sure about needing to go landside, but, others have reported no problem with time.
3. Mia customs may or may not ask you questions. Tell them the truth... you are doing a mileage run.
4. AA lounge access to Central America UNLESS you are flying non-stop transcon (LAX/SFO-JFK,LAX-MIA) along the way. You may want to invest in a 30 day pass.

Last edited by Global321; Mar 27, 2016 at 2:13 pm Reason: updated with transcon access rules & correct lounge access
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Old Mar 26, 2016, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by peacefultraveller
Hi Everyone. I have never done a milage run before. I am going to be in the Seattle region for a few days in May and I want to do this to get a Gold card with Qantas. I travel a fair bit usually with oneworld so having the gold card for a year would be nice for me.
This is a great find, I have been playing around with dates and cities and it does seem if you leave from canada its so much cheaper. I will probably leave from YVR. Im looking at a 10 sector itinerary for around $1000CAD Bargain as 7 are first 3 business.
I am scared about baggage, as I will go into and out of YVR I will just pay to check luggage at storage facility in YVR.
Will I be ok going to PTY landing at 11.30 am and taking off at 3.30pm same day?
I just dont want anyone to think Im a drug smuggler and pull me aside. Will I be able to have a boarding card already and just do an international transfer at PTY or will I need to go landside?
Will Mia customs pull me up thinking I am a drug smuggler?
Will I have access to any AA lounges travelling on this, If I read the rules I think I will as I am travelling outside the states?
Sorry for asking so many questions,
Ive been looking at this and so scared to book as I have never done this before

Good luck with your trip.
Yes to lounges (transcon), no idea about whether you'll look suspicious.. It'd a popular route which mia staff will know about. Can't answer questions about pty landside. I would guess four hours would be fine if they let you book it

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Old Mar 26, 2016, 7:48 pm
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Thanks for your help its appreciated.

I am happy to purchase a 30 day pass if needs be, I have looked at the AA website for the lounge, it states "Lounge access is not available if you’re traveling on American Airlines solely within the United States or between the United States and the Caribbean, Canada, or Mexico (except Mexico City)."
Is Panama classed as the Caribbean? I was wondering if it is classed as Central America and would thus entitle lounge access.
Im happy to buy a lounge pass as well if required.

I also have a oneworld sapphire pass which is Airberlin. I know this will get me into the lounge but I do not want to credit any miles to that account. I want to use my Qantas FF card to build status on there. In Australia the lounge will only grant you entry to the lounge on the ff scheme that is on your ticket.
If I try to get into an Aussie lounge with Airberlin they insist that QF is removed and Airberlin put on ticket. This can be ok on a single flight as i have changed it later but on this itinerary it would be a nightmare

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Old Mar 26, 2016, 11:11 pm
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Originally Posted by peacefultraveller
Thanks for your help its appreciated.

I am happy to purchase a 30 day pass if needs be, I have looked at the AA website for the lounge, it states "Lounge access is not available if you’re traveling on American Airlines solely within the United States or between the United States and the Caribbean, Canada, or Mexico (except Mexico City)."
Is Panama classed as the Caribbean? I was wondering if it is classed as Central America and would thus entitle lounge access.
Im happy to buy a lounge pass as well if required.

I also have a oneworld sapphire pass which is Airberlin. I know this will get me into the lounge but I do not want to credit any miles to that account. I want to use my Qantas FF card to build status on there. In Australia the lounge will only grant you entry to the lounge on the ff scheme that is on your ticket.
If I try to get into an Aussie lounge with Airberlin they insist that QF is removed and Airberlin put on ticket. This can be ok on a single flight as i have changed it later but on this itinerary it would be a nightmare

you will get the access as I just got it 8 days ago. they will scan your boarding pass and as long as your final destination is PTY, it is fine. Also PTY is not classified as Carribean. enjoy!
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Old Mar 26, 2016, 11:47 pm
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Originally Posted by beyounged
you will get the access as I just got it 8 days ago. they will scan your boarding pass and as long as your final destination is PTY, it is fine. Also PTY is not classified as Carribean. enjoy!
Thanks for that I find the AA lounge rules so confusing, Over Here and everywhere else in the world a business class ticket and above usually gets some lounge access. I imagine your lounges would be huge if they had to accomodate everyone. Glad that I will get the access, My turn arounds are tight but if I can get a shower to freshen up that would be great.

When you went to PTY did you stay long or did you come straight back
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 6:30 am
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Anyone doing this MR from April 1-3 and April 15-17?
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 6:43 am
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Originally Posted by peacefultraveller
Thanks for that I find the AA lounge rules so confusing, Over Here and everywhere else in the world a business class ticket and above usually gets some lounge access. I imagine your lounges would be huge if they had to accomodate everyone. Glad that I will get the access, My turn arounds are tight but if I can get a shower to freshen up that would be great.

When you went to PTY did you stay long or did you come straight back
The exception to internal flights is the transcon where flights exceed 2,000 miles. E.g. lax-mia.
Plus international travel with noted exceptions.
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 7:07 am
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Originally Posted by peacefultraveller
Thanks for that I find the AA lounge rules so confusing, Over Here and everywhere else in the world a business class ticket and above usually gets some lounge access. I imagine your lounges would be huge if they had to accomodate everyone. Glad that I will get the access, My turn arounds are tight but if I can get a shower to freshen up that would be great.

When you went to PTY did you stay long or did you come straight back
yes both the MIA and JFK lounges are huge. you get 2 free drinks and free food. showers in both look good, but MIA has individual ones. I am still on my trip and on a variation of this, as I OJ-ed it to return from BOG, so I know nothing about PTY. But when I arrived in PTY the lines of immigration is very long, took 35 min to get through, and the officers do question you for a few minutes.
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by beyounged
yes both the MIA and JFK lounges are huge. you get 2 free drinks and free food. showers in both look good, but MIA has individual ones. I am still on my trip and on a variation of this, as I OJ-ed it to return from BOG, so I know nothing about PTY. But when I arrived in PTY the lines of immigration is very long, took 35 min to get through, and the officers do question you for a few minutes.
I am looking at arriving in pty at 11,30 am and departing at 3.30 pm. I will have no luggage. I think I read on a trip report that arrivals and departures are in the same area in pty so I may not have to clear customs and immigration as long as I have a boarding pass.

Does anyone know if this is true? That would be great. Would AA give me boarding passes all the way through?

Thanks

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Old Mar 27, 2016, 1:52 pm
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Central America gets lounge access. Mexico (except MEX) and Caribbean do not.
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 2:01 pm
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Just booked mine!

Lax/Jfk/Mia/pty/Mia/jfk/lax/phx/Yvr

$716usd...leave 5/14 on the 1030pm flight and end in YVR on morning of 5/17.

Lax/Jfk and jfk/Mia all on flat beds! Super excited.
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 2:33 pm
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Originally Posted by acwolf
Lax/Jfk/Mia/pty/Mia/jfk/lax/phx/Yvr

$716usd...leave 5/14 on the 1030pm flight and end in YVR on morning of 5/17.

Lax/Jfk and jfk/Mia all on flat beds! Super excited.
Great.

How are you all booking this to force the LAX-JFK non-stop?
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Old Mar 27, 2016, 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by 110pgl
Great.

How are you all booking this to force the LAX-JFK non-stop?
Google flights, then click through directly to AA
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