TheBOSman

With the new subforum, all deals warrant their own threads by definition. That is the entire intent of the new subforum.

The meta discussion could be moved, but this thread should be locked in that case after it has been moved as this thread no longer will serve its original purpose. I feel it is valuable to let this thread remain open for discussion whilst the guidelines are being discussed amongst the moderators. Not all of us post regularly in the Talkboard subforum, or in the discussion that related to this vote that created this subforum.

janetdoe

It sounds like two of you are making the somewhat flawed assumption that the mods pay any attention to what happens in TalkBoard.

This forum was certainly a shocker to me.

irishguy28

When a change of this magnitude was being discussed, wouldn't you think that at least one of the "Talkers" would post a note here to alert the people that actually use this part of the forum and that would be impacted by any changes? You would at least think they'd want to poll support and get input from the people that actually use this thread.

For previous "Talkboard" discussions, I've noticed stickies being used to alert people. This was not done for this change. No-one ever mentioned, over here, that this discussion was going on in the background.

Unterwegs

Really good change. It would be nice if the title also had information if the fare is for First or Business.

Thankyou anyway.

Calchas

+1

Renes Points

Such a gift! +100000000000000000

Sisyphus1carus

I like the new thread ^

brinks101

+1^ I was going to ask the same thing - it makes a huge difference on some of these.

vatraveler

What they said. Thank you for the sub-forum!!!!

EKinBigD

Excellent!!!

flood

This is great - much more navigable and separated into nice bite sized chunks!

18sas

I would think that the bulk of the deals reported would be for J, so I would recommend that that would be default, and threads should only be marked as F if that isn't the case.

Also, I believe the W (Premium Economy) deals are also allowed here, so those without a doubt should be marked as such.

SkiAdcock

What a disappointing response/verbiage. BTW - your fellow mod, tcook052, actively participated in the discussion thread in TB when the sub-forum was being discussed. I'm surprised he didn't let you know about the discussion, motion & vote.

TB does vote on creation of new forums & did have discussion on it.

koko covers it pretty well in terms of when it was discussed previously, most recently, motion & vote & intent with the forum.

Well one did at least because he actively participated in the discussion thread.

From what I can tell, some FTers that use the thread/forum were among those who participated in the discussion of creating a sub-forum. It was due to them bumping up the prior years discussion thread re: a premium fares sub-forum& asking TB to consider it again (saying the mega-thread had gotten unwieldy/was too hard to follow) that started the most recent discussion & eventual motion/vote. koko posted initial idea of the motion & description & it was then refined by input from FTers who participate in the mega-thread before getting to final motion stage.

Usually there is a site-wide announcement referencing a motion/vote & providing a link to the thread in TB for input. In this case there was such a short period of time between when the vote was opened & it had secured the number of votes to pass that the CommunityDirector didn't have time to get the sitewide announcement created.

We're pleased that most of the response to the new sub-forum has been positive & hope you'll find it useful.

Cheers.

Thunderroad

Add me to the delighted consensus about this sub-forum being created. ^

If I could request a sticky at the top of the forum, it would ask posters to:

1. Be clear on whether they are posting one-way of round-trip fairs in their thread titles.
2. Make clear whether the fares are in first or business class. (Or, in view of the previous comments saying that business class is assumed, make clear in the thread titles if the itineraries include international F.)

Again, thanks for this very useful addition to FT!

jpdx

I'm going to ask that you not take this thread further off topic. My post was meant to explain that all of us mods lead busy lives, and simply did not have any advance warning that this forum would be opened so soon, and thus don't have a welcome message with posting rules ready. The final vote announcement was made 10/23 at 5.42am, and I learned of this forum's creation when the first RBP arrived in my inbox around 8am that day.

With respect to the forum creation, there was no opportunity to post the customary "vote is open" announcement in the forum and solicit greater feedback, because the vote was announced in the TB forum at 1.15pm (PST) on 10/17, and I didn't even catch that thread before "vote will pass" was announced a mere 17 hours later (6.09am on 10/17).

I'm posting this information to provide some context for our members; please keep in mind that your moderators are volunteers who occasionally have commitments outside of FT. We are working on new rules and will be posting a welcome message in the next few days.

Please refrain from further discussion of this issue ... it's off topic for this thread and will be deleted (as will be some of the back-and-forth on the last few pages, including this message) once the new rules have been posted.

--jpdx, MR Moderator