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Note: There is a known miscoding on ITA and elsewhere, where fares on EI (Aer Lingus) are showing as being in first class. This is not correct, as Aer Lingus does not offer first class. If you see this fare, please ignore it and do not post it here as it is completely unbookable in every sense of the term. The mods are summarily deleting these posts in order to unclutter the thread.

Note: There is a known miscoding on ITA and elsewhere, where Z fares on EY (Etihad) are showing as being in first class. This is not correct, as Z fares are discount business on EY. These fares will not receive chaffeur service. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/etihad-airways-etihad-guest/1622229-removal-chauffeur-service-some-business-class-passengers.html

List of known, active deals:

JNB-DXB-SFO in EK F, $4k-ish one-way
MLE-HKG-US (various) in C, $1400 +/- available only on CX's website.
CMB-MIA, other US cities, for about $4400 in F, round-trip/return

BA AARP $400 discount for J/F bookings is now valid again for booking until 31 Oct 2014 but departure to EOS seems to get the discount. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/british-airways-executive-club/1435816-ba-fare-discounts-aarp-4.html

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Oct 13, 2014, 2:54 pm

#3076

olouie

Join Date: Mar 2007

Posts: 4,961

Quote:

Originally Posted by mannyJ

First time posting ... please be gentle ... I've gained a lot from this thread so trying to give something back (just snagged VS SJC-LHR round trip for ~$2300 in upper class based on a previous posting)

It looks like the on-again, off-again Oneworld business class deals for west coast to Europe are back on again, with, e.g., SJC-CDG-SJC pricing at ~$2100, similar to LYS. About $2200 for PDX-CDG-PDX. I was looking in August but availability seems to be wide open and fast turn-arounds possible. Found on Google flights and confirmed on AA.com, although I didn't go all the way through to payment. Flights on BA slightly more expensive.

Also seems to be targeting AMS at similar prices. MXP, FCO etc. are decent but not as great a deal (~$2500) from SJC or PDX. For some reason, from SEA, nice prices to both FCO and destinations in France, from ~$2100 to $2200.

What dates and routing?

Oct 13, 2014, 4:23 pm

#3077

hamburglar

Join Date: Jun 2009

Location: Oakland, CA

Posts: 1,231

Quote:

Originally Posted by olouie

What dates and routing?

Pretty much all days until April next year:

Outbound flight
Wed, Apr 8

9:50 am – 3:15 pm
San Jose – Dallas · SJC–DFW
American 1224 · First Class · MD-80
3h 25m
Layover in Dallas DFW1h 25m

4:40 pm – 9:15 am+1
Dallas – Paris · DFW–CDG
American 48 · Business Class · Boeing 767
Overnight flight
Often delayed by 30+ min
9h 35m
Return flight
Wed, Apr 22

11:30 am – 3:30 pm
Paris – Dallas · CDG–DFW
American 49 · Business Class · Boeing 767
Often delayed by 30+ min
11h 00m
Layover in Dallas DFW2h 00m

5:30 pm – 7:05 pm
Dallas – San Jose · DFW–SJC
American 2307 · First Class · MD-80
3h 35m

$2103

Oct 13, 2014, 5:04 pm

#3078

olouie

Join Date: Mar 2007

Posts: 4,961

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamburglar

Nice. Will have to book a spring trip. Looks like Skyteam has cheapish fares from SJC through the year. Delta mixed with Virgin Atlantic.

Oct 13, 2014, 5:48 pm

#3079

timid_trnchcoat

Join Date: Mar 2003

Location: ORH/PVD

Posts: 1,292

SU: JFK-DEL RT business $2613, books into Z, bookable on orbitz. Works til end of schedule

Oct 13, 2014, 6:48 pm

#3080

bhamsan01

Join Date: Sep 2012

Location: Southern California

Programs: Alaska MVPG; Hyatt Globalist

Posts: 223

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamburglar

If my math is correct, as PLT or EXP with AA, 3 RTs for $6309 with code USF14 (bonus miles for booking Business flown before 1/10/15) will get you:

(12772 x 1.5)3 = 57,474 EQP and
([(12772 x 2) + (12772 x 0.5)]3) +125,000 = 220,790 RDM

Even non-elite will earn close to 200k RDM and reach PLT.

Plus, you get to visit Paris 3 times and get really familiar with the FAs flying the route.

Last edited by bhamsan01; Oct 13, 2014 at 8:51 pm

Oct 13, 2014, 8:17 pm

#3081

boss315

Join Date: Dec 2009

Location: Nashville, TN

Programs: Marriott Lifetime Titanium.;UA 1.5MM; UA Lifetime Gold (whoppee); DL Plat

Posts: 2,124

Appears to be dead..I snoozed and i losed

Oct 14, 2014, 1:42 am

#3082

riced

Join Date: Feb 2006

Posts: 712

For those of you in Asia. These fares have been around for a while, but still much cheaper than competitors. CX J Bkk-Sin RT approx $356usd all in on the nonstop.

Also Bkk-Hkg RT for $459 Ek J or $484 CX J.

Oct 14, 2014, 2:58 am

#3083

SKYravefever

Join Date: Apr 2007

Posts: 100

Quote:

Originally Posted by riced

Thanks for the post! For those who are curious, KQ (had to look that one up) has BKK-HKG in Z for only $302 RT. Not a bad price for a flatbed & 787 experience.

Oct 14, 2014, 5:29 am

#3084

RobertH

Join Date: Oct 1999

Posts: 1,052

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKYravefever

Thanks for the post! For those who are curious, KQ (had to look that one up) has BKK-HKG in Z for only $302 RT. Not a bad price for a flatbed & 787 experience.

Nice! But, where do you see that fare and do you know what dates it is available?

edited to say: Found it. Can be booked on Kenya Airways site, good until the end of February. Many dates available - check the Kenya Airways site. Only good BKK -> HKG and back, if you start in HKG and go HKG -> BKK and back it will cost about $700.

Last edited by RobertH; Oct 14, 2014 at 5:48 am

Oct 14, 2014, 5:47 am

#3085

modjo

Join Date: Sep 2007

Posts: 97

Kenyan website, 27/11-2/12 works out to £190

Oct 14, 2014, 8:52 am

#3086

stimpy

FlyerTalk Evangelist

Join Date: Feb 1999

Location: Seat 1A, Juice pretty much everywhere, Mucci des Coins Exotiques

Posts: 34,339

Quote:

Originally Posted by riced

Cheap fares have been on this route for many years as you have 4 major airlines. EK and KQ are usually super cheap as it's a tag route. Sometimes CX and TG try to go lower, but they are usually much more expensive.

Also you can try EK F for around $500 or so usually. With the full A380 shower experience. ^ I've done it several times.

Oct 14, 2014, 8:57 am

#3087

remymartin

Join Date: Jan 2012

Location: HEL

Programs: SPG LTP, hotels, OWE, STE+, *G, Octopus

Posts: 5,783

Quote:

Originally Posted by stimpy

Also you can try EK F for around $500 or so usually. With the full A380 shower experience. ^ I've done it several times.

Oneway or return? If the former, which is the price/quality ratio departure airport?

Oct 14, 2014, 9:06 am

#3088

stimpy

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Posts: 34,339

Quote:

Originally Posted by remymartin

Oneway or return? If the former, which is the price/quality ratio departure airport?

One way. I think it's a slight bit more if its ex-HKG. I've gotten it a good bit cheaper in the past, but prices and currencies go up and down as you know. The EK lounges aren't great at either airport, but you will appreciate the on board shower more when leaving from hot and steamy BKK. And if you are like me, you will drink the fare in vintage Dom Perignon anyways.

Oct 14, 2014, 9:33 am

#3089

KL803

Join Date: Aug 2006

Location: ZRH, MNL

Programs: FB Gold

Posts: 973

KL Business Specials

KL Business Class Sale from Switzerland:

http://www.klm.com/travel/ch_en/plan...ers/index3.htm

Some picks:

JKF CHF 2350
RIO CHF 2950
BKK CHF 2530

North America restrictions:
Sales period until 28.10.2014; Travel period: from 23.11.2014 to 30.11.2014, from 23.10.2014 to 02.01.2015, from 27.03.2015 to 12.04.2015 and from 24.06.2015 to 31.08.2015. Minimum stay: Saturday night. Maximum stay: 3 months. Advance purchase: 14 days.

South America restrictions:
Sales period until 28.10.2014; Travel period: from 01.11.2014 to 15.04.2015. for Lima from 01.01.2015 to 15.04.2015. Outbound flights on Saturday, Sunday or Monday and inbound flights on Thursday, Friday or Saturday are excluded from the promotion. Minimum stay: 7 days. Maximum stay: 3 months. Advance purchase: 28 days.

Asia and Africa restrictions:
Sales period until 28.10.2014. Travel period: from 01.11.2014 to 15.04.2015. Outbound flights on Saturday, Sunday or Monday and inbound flights on Thursday, Friday or Saturday are excluded from the promotion. Minimum stay: 7 days. Maximum stay: 3 months. Advance purchase: 28 days.

Note: other departure countries might have other destinations on sale, I didn't check.

Oct 14, 2014, 10:01 am

#3090

aa213bb

Join Date: May 2012

Location: Here, there … you know how it goes.

Posts: 1,518

Quote:

Originally Posted by KL803

North America restrictions:
Sales period until 28.10.2014; Travel period: from 23.11.2014 to 30.11.2014, from 23.10.2014 to 02.01.2015, from 27.03.2015 to 12.04.2015 and from 24.06.2015 to 31.08.2015. Minimum stay: Saturday night. Maximum stay: 3 months. Advance purchase: 14 days.

I assume my bolded and underlined section is a mistake, and is supposed maybe to read "23.12.2014 to 02.01.2015", no?

Otherwise, why have the first restriction on a travel period of "23.11.2014 to 30.11.2014"?