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Travelling on a B1/B2 Visa - What rights does one have ?
I'm asking because a family member recently had a discussion with a CBP officer what his rights are when travelling under a B1/B2 Visa, NOT the Visa Waiver Programm.
Are there any specifics that keep travelling under a visa apart from the WVP ? Like, does one have the right to appeal the officers decision (I know under the WVP you dont) ? After what I heard the imformation that the CBP officer gave was somewhat different to what the consular officer quoted. Thanks ! |
You don't describe the issue your family member had.
AIUI, the main points are B1/B2 visaholders can stay up to 6 months per stay; they cannot work for a US employer, but can for a foreign employer. I would think they have rights of appeal. |
I think it was about the appeal. He is in the US alot for long term vacations and the CBP officer last time admitted him but said that if he would stay too many times than any CBP officer could cancel the visa without any right to appeal that decision. The consular officer said otherwise and he especially asked about this particular issue considering how paranoid CBP are these days.
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Among other things, B visa holders may apply to extend their stay while in the US and apply to adjust their status to a different type of visa. WVP users cannot do this.
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Do not rely on statements from CBP officers. They rotate duties, on any given day you could wind up with one that's used to inspecting cargo.
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Originally Posted by Fly2LAX
(Post 12428777)
...the CBP officer last time admitted him but said that if he would stay too many times than any CBP officer could cancel the visa without any right to appeal that decision. The consular officer said otherwise and he especially asked about this particular issue considering how paranoid CBP are these days.
(h) Revocation of visa by immigration officer. An immigration officer is authorized to revoke a valid visa by physically canceling it in accordance with the procedure prescribed in paragraph (c) of this section if: (1) The alien obtains an immigrant visa or an adjustment of status to that of permanent resident; (2) The alien is ordered excluded from the United States pursuant to INA 235(c) or 236; (3) The alien is notified pursuant to INA 235(b) by an immigration officer at a port of entry that the alien appears to be inadmissible to the United States and the alien requests and is granted permission to withdraw the application for admission; (4) A final order of deportation or a final order granting voluntary departure with an alternate order of deportation is entered against the alien pursuant to DHS regulations; (5) The alien has been permitted by DHS to depart voluntarily from the United States pursuant to DHS regulations; (6) A waiver of ineligibility pursuant to INA 212(d)(3)(A) on the basis of which the visa was issued to the alien is revoked by DHS; (7) The visa is presented in connection with an application for admission to the United States by a person other than the alien to whom it was issued; or (8) The visa has been physically removed from the passport in which it was issued. (9) The visa has been issued in a combined Mexican or Canadian B-1/B-2 visa and border crossing identification card and the officer makes the determination specified in Sec. 41.32(c) with respect to the alien's Mexican citizenship and/or residence or the determination specified in Sec. 41.33(b) with respect to the alien's status as a permanent resident of Canada. |
Originally Posted by Deeg
(Post 12429907)
Actually, neither was entirely right. CBP officers can indeed cancel visas without any appeal. However, it can only be done under certain circumstances, found in 22 CFR 41.122(h). Bascially, it would also require that CBP refuse his admission. Based on that refusal, the visa can be cancelled.
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Originally Posted by gleff
(Post 12429763)
Do not rely on statements from CBP officers. They rotate duties, on any given day you could wind up with one that's used to inspecting cargo.
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Originally Posted by B747-437B
(Post 12430797)
Not exactly. From personal experience, I can state that a B1/B2 visa can be cancelled upon voluntary withdrawal of application for entry despite no formal determination of inadmissability or refusal of entry being made.
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Originally Posted by Taker Park
(Post 12431173)
False
So many of the front-line DHS employees aren't familiar with the relevant parts of the CFRs involving passengers and don't even fully grasp the "dumbed" down version reflected in the employee manuals. No wonder that there are those higher up who have to clean up more than ever before. A growing number of the supervisors and many higher-ups don't themselves even fully understand the reading material relevant to the situation of passengers. It's a growing problem. This stands:
Originally Posted by gleff
Do not rely on statements from CBP officers. They rotate duties, on any given day you could wind up with one that's used to inspecting cargo.
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While I was waiting for secondary in ATL, I noticed this case. An elderly lady was wheeled in and the officer asked how often she was in the US. Twice in the last year was the answer.
The officer then warned her, you have been here 12 out of the past 14 months. If you ever visit again, we will cancel your visa and send you back! If you want to stay here, ask your children to petition to live in the US. 6 months out of a year seems to be about right. Anything more than that seems to raise their suspicion of possible migrant. |
Originally Posted by Deeg
(Post 12433080)
Tehcnically, I guess that's correct. In either case, CBP has already determined the alien to be inadmissible. The only difference is whether the alien is ordered removed or chooses to withdraw their application for admission in lieu of being ordered removed. I suppose I oversimplified.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 12433376)
Actually what gleff noted is true. There are DHS employees who are far more used to dealing with cargo than passengers but who are now dealing with passengers as their primary duty. They are not all yet used to it, just as gleff correctly noted.
So many of the front-line DHS employees aren't familiar with the relevant parts of the CFRs involving passengers and don't even fully grasp the "dumbed" down version reflected in the employee manuals. No wonder that there are those higher up who have to clean up more than ever before. A growing number of the supervisors and many higher-ups don't themselves even fully understand the reading material relevant to the situation of passengers. It's a growing problem. This stands: Better to rely upon lawyers. However, gleff makes it sound like an officer would be taken out of the cargo environment for one day to stamp passports. Very few ports of entry have rotations like that or would even consider it. Also, on any given day you could have a brand new, straight out of the academy officer. |
Can one get credit card or driver's license on B1 visa?
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Originally Posted by gleff
(Post 12429763)
Do not rely on statements from CBP officers. They rotate duties, on any given day you could wind up with one that's used to inspecting cargo.
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Originally Posted by mohitmadaan
(Post 21347520)
Can one get credit card or driver's license on B1 visa?
Credit Card: That's up to an individual bank's policy. I know that a major credit card issuer will issue credit cards to non-immigrants if they have a SSN. |
Originally Posted by N779UA
(Post 21349933)
Drivers' License: That's a State policy rather than a Federal policy. In Louisiana, a B1 Visa will only be eligible for a Driver's License if you also have an Employment Authorization Document.
Credit Card: That's up to an individual bank's policy. I know that a major credit card issuer will issue credit cards to non-immigrants if they have a SSN. B1 are mostly ineligible to get a SSN. Also for a fresh SSN with no credit history most banks will only issue secured credit card for which you pay upfront the entire credit limit, use the card and pay it back to build a credit history. |
Originally Posted by tomcat007
(Post 21351707)
Also for a fresh SSN with no credit history most banks will only issue secured credit card for which you pay upfront the entire credit limit, use the card and pay it back to build a credit history.
However, recent immigrant status didn't stop Chase/pmCO from filling my mailbox with adverts for their OnePass co-branded credit card! :mad: When I called to complain, they told me about the OnePass co-branded debit card that was pretty cool and paid for a RT to London. |
Originally Posted by mohitmadaan
(Post 21347520)
Can one get credit card or driver's license on B1 visa?
DL, maybe, but I've heard most states will only make them valid for the length of your stay as allowed by DHS (that would be 6 months for a B1/B2), so it wouldn't even be worth the hassle. As to whether the state would require something else, or allow them at all, who knows, for students all AZ actually requires is the I-20 and I-94 (the I-20 says that you are a student until X day, and most states will give you a DL until that date + 60 days, since that's what DHS allows you to file a change of status or leave the country). You'd have no issue registering a car if you had a local address, but, insurance would be pretty expensive. |
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