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And you thought liquid checks were bad....Here come powders

Old Aug 20, 09, 9:31 am
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Originally Posted by ralfp View Post
And dynamite is quite safe until you detonate it... the point is that sodium metal in any quantity above a trace amount should probably be prohibited in carry-on and checked luggage (I assume it is already prohibited), though I'm not sure the real danger it poses (e.g what would flushing a 1cm cube do?)

(This is coming from a more Spiff-leaning FT member.)
I'm not disagreeing with you. Sodium is highly reactive.

With new battery technology this metal may become more common.

I don't recall seeing it listed in anything that TSA has provided to the public as a restricted item.
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Old Aug 20, 09, 9:45 am
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That if one is going to comment on something in public, one should know something about the subject first.
Maybe you should take you own advice, Ronny, since your record on this forum and at PV consists entirely of being completely wrong about everything you comment on and then running away when you're called on it.
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Old Aug 20, 09, 10:48 am
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Very easy way around this one folks - place the powder in an urn made of a material the x-ray can see through and claim it's your loved one's remains. They can't open urns.

Again, the TSA shows it's complete, paranoid, and utter stupidity.
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Old Aug 20, 09, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog View Post
Sodium is fairly safe as long as it is keep dry.
Sodium, all by itself, reacts violently with water and also reacts with air.

Sodium is usually stored in oil. You can throw a chunk of it into water and then see it go boom once the water gets past the oil.
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Old Aug 20, 09, 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
Sodium, all by itself, reacts violently with water and also reacts with air.

Sodium is usually stored in oil. You can throw a chunk of it into water and then see it go boom once the water gets past the oil.
Yup...quite fun. I suppose in a <3.4 ounce container with a little bit of oil in it coating the sodium metal you could have a lot of fun on a plane. That would be bad in the lav.

I do wonder just how much of an issue it would be with battery cells, though I guess a dedicated terrorist could disassemble one on the plane to harvest the metal??
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Old Aug 20, 09, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff View Post
Sodium, all by itself, reacts violently with water and also reacts with air.

Sodium is usually stored in oil. You can throw a chunk of it into water and then see it go boom once the water gets past the oil.
It's a loud way to ruin a septic system. A small piece may explode on first toss into water and bounce out only to skip around at the top for a while, but a bigger chunk gets submerged sufficiently for long enough to give the TSA the kind of bang it is always supposedly experimenting with.
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Old Aug 20, 09, 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog View Post
I don't recall seeing it listed in anything that TSA has provided to the public as a restricted item.
I would imagine it's (sodium metal) already covered by DOT/FAA hazmat regs of some sort.
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Old Aug 20, 09, 12:14 pm
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Originally Posted by ralfp View Post
I would imagine it's (sodium metal) already covered by DOT/FAA hazmat regs of some sort.
Good point. I would hope its carriage is regulated in some manner.

But would it be discovered by a highly trained TSO?
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Old Aug 20, 09, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog View Post
Good point. I would hope its carriage is regulated in some manner.

But would it be discovered by a highly trained TSO?
In a glass container full of oil, perhaps but not likely if stuffed somewhere where the sun don't shine and the WTMD hasn't gone off.
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Old Aug 20, 09, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
In a glass container full of oil, perhaps but not likely if stuffed somewhere where the sun don't shine and the WTMD hasn't gone off.
To think that a burst condom of cocaine is scary...
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Old Aug 20, 09, 2:04 pm
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Originally Posted by ralfp View Post
To think that a burst condom of cocaine is scary...
A bottle with a block of sodium breaking in there would certainly make for a nasty mess.

Oh what is the TSA doing about that?
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Old Aug 20, 09, 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
A bottle with a block of sodium breaking in there would certainly make for a nasty mess.

Oh what is the TSA doing about that?
Metallic sodium reacts with water to form NaOH (sodium hydroxide) and release of hydrogen gas (sometimes rapidly with flames). The NaOH reacts with aluminum when in the presence of water causing pretty rapid corrosion (think big holes eaten in aluminum surfaces) along with a slight rise in temperature of the aluminum.

What is TSA doing about this? Given their largely impotent war on water, TSA now confiscates soft yellow metals because you never know when that gold you thought you were wearing could be confused (yes, I know) with metallic sodium.

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Old Aug 20, 09, 4:33 pm
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Depending on what this entails and how it's implemented, the TSA is going to anger lots and lots of women -- a lot of us switched to all powder makeup instead of liquid/cream makeup to avoid the ziploc bag limit.
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Old Aug 20, 09, 5:13 pm
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Depending on what this entails and how it's implemented, the TSA is going to anger lots and lots of women -- a lot of us switched to all powder makeup instead of liquid/cream makeup to avoid the ziploc bag limit.
Exactly. I use mineral-based powder, foundation and blush, and often travel with eye shadow as well (also a powdery substance). Are they seriously going to start testing 5-6 different items every time I go through a checkpoint? Seriously?
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Old Aug 20, 09, 5:35 pm
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What does this powder test entail?

What is the scoop on these powder tests and how are they conducted?

I typically travel with two powders in my carry-on. The first is baby powder. The second is more granular like, but it is a medication.

My concern isn't so much with the baby powder, but will TSO's have to handle my powder medication and/or pour some powder out for a sample?

To what extent will powders be handled for testing? The powder in question is kept in its original RX bottle. I don't know about others, but I will not ingest anything if it has been poured out of a bottle, handled with, and poured back in (eek, has the potential to make a big mess too).

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