TSA/EU rules for canned food in carry-on luggage?
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TSA/EU rules for canned food in carry-on luggage?
I had three small cans of tinned fish (gross weight 160g) confiscated at Helsinki-Vantaa Airport last Saturday, and I've been engaging in a so far fruitless discussion with the Finnish Aviation Administration ever since. Their contention is that canned fish and by extension any can of any sort is a "liquid" banned by
EC Regulation 820/2008 Sec. 4.1.1 (f), and my contention is that they're smoking crack, both in their reading of the law (which talks exclusively about "gels, pastes, lotions ... and items of similar consistency") and by thinking that somebody could blow up the plane with a tin of herring. Unfortunately for me, the regulation above does prohibit "liquid/solid mixtures", and my guess is that will be their next excuse... even though even a ballpoint pen or the human body could be described as a "liquid/solid mixture".
Based on eg. this, the TSA is OK with sealed, canned items, but I couldn't find anything official about this on the TSA website itself. I'm also unable to find any EU guidance on the issue. Any ideas?
(for scale, that's slightly wider but about half the height of your average small can of tuna... and it tastes much better than it looks in that fairly disgusting pic!)
EC Regulation 820/2008 Sec. 4.1.1 (f), and my contention is that they're smoking crack, both in their reading of the law (which talks exclusively about "gels, pastes, lotions ... and items of similar consistency") and by thinking that somebody could blow up the plane with a tin of herring. Unfortunately for me, the regulation above does prohibit "liquid/solid mixtures", and my guess is that will be their next excuse... even though even a ballpoint pen or the human body could be described as a "liquid/solid mixture".
Based on eg. this, the TSA is OK with sealed, canned items, but I couldn't find anything official about this on the TSA website itself. I'm also unable to find any EU guidance on the issue. Any ideas?
(for scale, that's slightly wider but about half the height of your average small can of tuna... and it tastes much better than it looks in that fairly disgusting pic!)
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Hi there,
Quick question: did the tin contain any liquid such as oil or water along with the fish?
If yes, it's a container bigger than 100 ml, and therefore disallowed by the European regulation.
If not, you would seem to have a point.
Edit: just checked the translation of "Sprotid olis" -> Sprats in oil. Thus, the item falls straight under section 4.1.1 (f) for solid/liquid mixture, and the container was above the maximum size allowed of 100 ml.
Now, does this rhyme with security ... that's a whole other debate ... but they were applying the European regulation.
Cheers,
GenevaFlyer
Quick question: did the tin contain any liquid such as oil or water along with the fish?
If yes, it's a container bigger than 100 ml, and therefore disallowed by the European regulation.
If not, you would seem to have a point.
Edit: just checked the translation of "Sprotid olis" -> Sprats in oil. Thus, the item falls straight under section 4.1.1 (f) for solid/liquid mixture, and the container was above the maximum size allowed of 100 ml.
Now, does this rhyme with security ... that's a whole other debate ... but they were applying the European regulation.
Cheers,
GenevaFlyer
Last edited by GenevaFlyer; Aug 12, 2009 at 4:26 am Reason: Added translation note.
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Ah Helsinki.
Last year I had them try to confiscate cans of aircraft insecticide (the stuff you see the crew spraying the cabin with when flying from a tropical destination).
The logic was "these cans are not allowed on board aircraft". This was despite the fact that the cans are annotated with a warnng "not for use except on board aircraft".
We spent about 15 minutes arguing the apparent contradiction until a supervisor arrived and agreed to let them through provided they were each placed individually in a ziploc bag.
Logic? None.
Last year I had them try to confiscate cans of aircraft insecticide (the stuff you see the crew spraying the cabin with when flying from a tropical destination).
The logic was "these cans are not allowed on board aircraft". This was despite the fact that the cans are annotated with a warnng "not for use except on board aircraft".
We spent about 15 minutes arguing the apparent contradiction until a supervisor arrived and agreed to let them through provided they were each placed individually in a ziploc bag.
Logic? None.
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It's perfectly logical. Everyone knows that all ziploc baggies are magical anti-bomb devices.
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But, as you state, the regulation doesn't distinguish between 100 ml of mixed or pure liquid, even one drop is enough. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find any canned product that doesn't have some quantity of some liquid inside, so in practice this amounts to a blanket ban on any and all canned food?
Now, does this rhyme with security ... that's a whole other debate ... but they were applying the European regulation.
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But, as you state, the regulation doesn't distinguish between 100 ml of mixed or pure liquid, even one drop is enough. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find any canned product that doesn't have some quantity of some liquid inside, so in practice this amounts to a blanket ban on any and all canned food?
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Some brand here offers vacuum-packed corn. Open one of those cans and you get no more than maybe a teaspoon of liquid.
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Yes, I am aware of TSA is not allowed you to bring the canned through at security. Besides, you will have to placed the canned into checked bags instead of put the canned into the aircraft. Because they won't let you bring the canned any EU airports. If you bring larger container aren't permitted beyond at security. Otherwise, you may allowed to placed the canned food to put into the checking bags.
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I don't think there is a clearcut rule within the EU. This recent thread on the BA forum shows a can which was passed no problem at EDI (since they are sold about 100 m from security!) was confiscated at LGW - same airport operator, different rules It might have helped that EDI staff would know that canned haggis would contain no liquid, whilst LGW staff are generally clueless about things Scottish (previous threads on LGW meeting the tartan army applying )
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Of course. I'm talking about home equipment that produces cans that look just like the real ones. My impression is that it's expensive but available. I've seen it once--a place in the mall that would can things for you--an exotic way of wrapping Christmas presents. Magicians also use such stuff. Getting a proper-looking label on it would be tricky but not impossible.