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AngryMiller Jul 12, 2009 11:00 am

RF ID chip in passports not secure
 
As an experiment, a researcher put together some commercially available equipment and went on a fishing expedition at Fisherman's Wharf for passport numbers. He was successful in obtaining passport numbers from the newer chipped passports from around twenty feet away.

On one hand our government attempts to make us more secure and then on the other hand does something that makes us less secure at the same time. I wish they would think things through and do a what if scenario before fielding this stuff.

LINK

AngryMiller Jul 12, 2009 11:26 am

They do make sleeves that attenuate the signals.

Link

And as another feature:

In 2006, a mobile security company, Flexilis, conducted an experiment in which the transponder of a partially opened e-passport triggered an explosive planted in a trashcan when a dummy carrying the chipped passport approached the bin. A video of the experiment was shown that year at a security conference.

Flexilis has suggested that the government adopt a dual cover shield and specifically designed RFID tag that would make the e-passport remotely unreadable until it is fully opened.

No changes have been made to the U.S. e-passport in response, according to the State Department.
- Some RFID critics wonder: Could government officials read the microchips in an enhanced driver's license or passport card by scanning people via satellite or through a cell phone tower network?

The short answer is no - because the chips in PASS cards and EDLs are "passive," or batteryless, meaning they rely on the energy of readers to power up. Passive tags are designed to beam information out 30 feet.

However, research is moving forward to make batteries tinier and more powerful, says Ari Juels, director of RSA Laboratories. A "semi-passive" tag that could transmit into the atmosphere when triggered by a reader "may be feasible at some point," he says.

Separately, a system called STAR, that adapts deep-space communications technologies to read passive tags from distances greater than 600 feet, was announced last year by a Los Angeles startup called Mojix, Inc. It uses "smart antennas" and "digital beam forming" to process signals in four dimensions - time, space, frequency and polarization. Mojix, founded by a former NASA scientist, promotes the technology for supply chain management and asset tracking.

AngryMiller Jul 12, 2009 11:33 am

More bad news.

sbm12 Jul 12, 2009 1:24 pm

To be precise here, the numbers being collected are not the actual passport numbers but a serial number of the RFID that can be translated to the passport number by the folks with the database. Of course, the number never changes so as long as you can associate it with a particular person you can track them, but you aren't actually reading the passport number.

Centurion210 Jul 12, 2009 1:31 pm


RF ID chip in passports not secure
Why mine in my passport doesn't work anymore. The optical scanner bit works, though.

Trollkiller Jul 12, 2009 1:32 pm

Even the Feds don't trust them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071101929.html

whirledtraveler Jul 12, 2009 1:34 pm

So what passport covers actually work? Seems like it is easy enough to see one, but hard for consumers to check to see if it actually works.

AngryMiller Jul 12, 2009 2:03 pm


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 12054122)
So what passport covers actually work? Seems like it is easy enough to see one, but hard for consumers to check to see if it actually works.

Something that is cheap is one of those silvery-grey, translucent bags that electronics get shipped in. Since the passport is activated by a high frequency RF signal you can get one of those bags, and put a radio into it. If the radio stops working then it is a good shield against the theft of information. Wrapping it in foil/putting it into one of those containers meant to screen against x-ray exposure to film might work as well

The way the first article read, the actual passport serial number, not the RFID serial number was compromised.

Gargoyle Jul 12, 2009 2:15 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 12054080)
To be precise here, the numbers being collected are not the actual passport numbers but a serial number of the RFID that can be translated to the passport number by the folks with the database. Of course, the number never changes so as long as you can associate it with a particular person you can track them, but you aren't actually reading the passport number.

But don't the hundreds of thousands of people working at customs checkpoints of various countries around the world, along with their IT support people, vendors, department secretaries, clerks, etc, all have access to the database?

FliesWay2Much Jul 12, 2009 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by AngryMiller (Post 12054249)
Something that is cheap is one of those silvery-grey, translucent bags that electronics get shipped in. Since the passport is activated by a high frequency RF signal you can get one of those bags, and put a radio into it. If the radio stops working then it is a good shield against the theft of information. Wrapping it in foil/putting it into one of those containers meant to screen against x-ray exposure to film might work as well

The way the first article read, the actual passport serial number, not the RFID serial number was compromised.


Yes -- ordinary aluminum foil works very well.

j_sunne Jul 14, 2009 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 12054548)
Yes -- ordinary aluminum foil works very well.

See, the tin foil hat types aren't wrong after all...

Even if the number can be matched up to the database by nefarious agency employees, they'd have access to your pass # anyhow.
Still, I'd still consider a tinfoil sleeve for my rfid enabled credit cards and passport.

breny Jul 15, 2009 10:09 am

I'm shocked! Just shocked! HA! :rolleyes:

msimons Jul 15, 2009 11:13 am

I microwaved my passport with the chip the day I got it.
And hit it several times with a hammer for good measure.

Actually it felt pretty good.

N965VJ Jul 15, 2009 11:34 am

Hammer Time!


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