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bigbootch Jun 19, 2009 1:35 pm

Carrying on flouridated toothpaste
 
After reading on FT that flouridated toothpaste, as an FDA-regulated OTC drug, is an exemption to the 3-1-1 regulation (i.e. not subject to 3 oz limit since it is an OTC drug) I decided to give it a try on my next trip. It was confiscated at the security checkpoint, despite my reasoning with the agent that it's an OTC drug, etc. (totally expected). I then sent an email to the TSA asking about it, and got what I think is a definitive answer... thought others here might be interested.

My original email:


--- Original Message ---
From: bigbootch
Received: 5/21/09 7:45:25 PM EDT
To: "TSA Contact Center" <[email protected]>
Subject: Prohibited Items

I had a question regarding items that are prohibited in carry-on luggage. As I understand the so-called 311 policy (as explained on the TSA website here: http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/311_brochure.pdf), liquids and gels are prohibited in carry-on luggage except in a maximum of 3oz containers, all of which fit in one 1-quart bag. However, one of the exceptions to this is "All prescription and over-the-counter medications", as listed on the TSA website here: http://www.tsa.gov/311/311-carry-ons.shtm.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) considers fluoridated toothpaste to be an FDA-regulated over-the-counter medication (FDA website source here: http://www.fda.gov/buyonlineguide/OTClabel.htm). As such, I believe I was wronged when a tube of fluoridated toothpaste was confiscated from me at a TSA checkpoint at ORD. I explained to the supervisor exactly what I just outlined above, and he did not listen to me and made me throw it away anyway.



I would like clarification on the above points. From my perspective, the logic seems impeccable: TSA website says ALL prescription and OTC medications are allowed; FDA website says that fluoridated toothpaste is an FDA-regulated OTC medication; ergo, fluoridated toothpaste are allowed on carry-on luggage (above and beyond the 3 oz limit that non-medications are subject to). Could you confirm that this is correct? If not, then could you explain where my logic is flawed?

Thank you.

And, after a couple round-turns of auto-generated useless replies, finally a thorough reply from a human (Cliff's notes: ordinary flouridated toothpaste is not an exception to the 3oz limit)



From: TSA Representative
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 2:04 PM
To: bigbootch
Cc: TSA-ContactCenter;
Subject: RE: Prohibited Items <<#328881-433815#>> - toothpaste



Dear bigbootch:



Thank you for your email to the TSA Contact Center. Yours is the first question to the TSA at O’Hare relating to the quantities of fluoride toothpaste allowed in carry-on baggage. I checked with the FDA and received this information:



Fluoride toothpaste is considered a drug. Some are OTC, some are prescription drugs if they have more than the allotted fluoride for OTC's.

Toothpaste without fluoride is considered a cosmetic product.



First of all, not all tubes of toothpaste are drugs and those that are not are clearly subjected to the 3-1-1 guidelines. For those that are, the question becomes just how much toothpaste is needed on a flight for medicinal purposes. Note the statements highlighted below.



- The exceptions to the 3-1-1 guidelines are exceptions made for people with disabilities or medical conditions, not the typical passenger passing through the checkpoint.

- Passengers with medical conditions are encouraged to limit the quantities to those needed for the duration of the flight.

- Supporting documentation for medications is encouraged.



We are continuing to permit prescription liquid medications and other liquids needed by persons with disabilities and medical conditions. This includes:



All prescription and over-the-counter medications (liquid, gel, and aerosol), including KY jelly, eye drops, and saline solution for medicinal purposes;

Liquids (to include water, juice, or liquid nutrition) or gels for passengers with a disability or medical condition;

Life support and life sustaining liquids (bone marrow, blood products, transplant organs);

Items used to augment the body for medical or cosmetic reasons (e.g. mastectomy products, prosthetic breasts, bras or shells) containing gels, saline solution, or other liquids; and

Gels or frozen liquids needed to cool disability or medically related items used by persons with disabilities or medical conditions.



Passengers with disabilities and medical conditions can choose to put their small bottles and items of liquid medication in the one quart sealable bag (mixed with toiletries) without the need to declare these items. However, if the liquid medications are in volumes larger than 3 ozs each, they may not be placed in the quart-size bag and must be declared to a Transportation Security Officer. A declaration can be made verbally, in writing, or by a person's companion, caregiver, interpreter, or family member. Declared liquid medications and other liquids for disabilities and medical conditions must be kept separate from all other property submitted for x-ray screening.



It is recommended (not required) that passengers bring along any supporting documentation (ID cards, letter from doctor, etc.) regarding their medication needs. It is recommended, not required, that the label on prescription medications match the passengers boarding pass. If the name on prescription medication label does not match the name of the passenger, the passenger should expect to explain why to the security officers.



To ensure a smooth screening process, passengers are encouraged to limit quantities to what is needed for the duration of the flight.



So, unless you have a physical disability or medical condition requiring a tube of toothpaste greater than the limits specified by the 3-1-1 guidelines, I recommend that you follow those guidelines when packing your toothpaste. If you do have a medical condition requiring fluoride toothpaste in quantities greater than 3 oz for a given flight, then I recommend you have medical documentation for your condition which explains why you need that much toothpaste in your carry-on. If the latter is the case, then I suggest you find lanes in airports reserved for families and people with medical needs; the Officers staffing those lanes are expecting passengers with special needs. We have such lanes at O’Hare.

Regards,
TSA Representative

j_sunne Jun 19, 2009 1:54 pm

Nice try.

Do you find the response was inadvertantly funny or is TSA Representative playing along?

I guess all you need to do now is find a "physical disability or medical condition requiring a tube of toothpaste greater than the limits specified by the 3-1-1 guidelines" and then we can all carry our Crest on board again.

Would defense from Cavity Creeps be a medical condition or a security issue?

bigbootch Jun 19, 2009 2:02 pm

Yeah I mean I clearly have no medical need to carry on large tubes of flouridated toothpaste... I just thought that maybe this was a hole in the rules, and was more curious than anything to see if it would work. Perhaps not the most prudent of ideas to try to push the boundaries with TSA, but some of us are too curious for our own good...

Anyway, this might be too charitable (or wishful) an interpretation, but I imagined her to be playing along, smiling as she wrote the reply about requiring more than 3oz toothpaste for the duration of the flight. I suppose it's entirely possible she was rolling her eyes while scowling, too.

cparekh Jun 19, 2009 3:49 pm

I had a similar experience in Denver, which is detailed here. I, in fact, do have a reason to carry medicated toothpaste (sensitive gums). Specifically, the ingredients in many toothpastes can cause allergic reactions, and so I carry toothpaste that is only manufactured in 4.5 oz or heavier tubes.

TSA said I need a prescription to carry it on, which is, of course, impossible, because it is an OTC toothpaste which contains Fluoride, desensitizing agents, as well as does not contain other ingredients which I react to.

So, I am not sure what documentation to carry, and I am not cool with the idea that TSOs should have any access to my medical records, which is about the only documentation there is.

goalie Jun 19, 2009 4:22 pm


Originally Posted by tsaspokeshole
So, unless you have a physical disability or medical condition requiring a tube of toothpaste greater than the limits specified by the 3-1-1 guidelines, I recommend that you follow those guidelines when packing your toothpaste. If you do have a medical condition requiring fluoride toothpaste in quantities greater than 3 oz for a given flight, then I recommend you have medical documentation for your condition which explains why you need that much toothpaste in your carry-on. If the latter is the case, then I suggest you find lanes in airports reserved for families and people with medical needs; the Officers staffing those lanes are expecting passengers with special needs. We have such lanes at O’Hare.

this has to be the most condescending piece of bullsh*t i have ever read :mad:. how dare you say "if i have a medical condition"? i don't see the letters m.d. or dds. after your name so you have no authority to tell me what to do medically with my body. where otc medications greater than 3.40z are specifically (n.b. specifically) allowed by the tsa (as is evidenced by the tsa's own website) to be brought thru the security checkpoints and into the secure area and otc medications by nature of them being otc, do not require (n.b. do not require) any (n.b. any) medical documentation and where fluoridated toothpaste is an otc medication, it is allowed past the security checkpoint in amounts greater than 3.4oz

AngryMiller Jun 19, 2009 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by cparekh (Post 11936992)
I had a similar experience in Denver, which is detailed here. I, in fact, do have a reason to carry medicated toothpaste (sensitive gums). Specifically, the ingredients in many toothpastes can cause allergic reactions, and so I carry toothpaste that is only manufactured in 4.5 oz or heavier tubes.

TSA said I need a prescription to carry it on, which is, of course, impossible, because it is an OTC toothpaste which contains Fluoride, desensitizing agents, as well as does not contain other ingredients which I react to.

So, I am not sure what documentation to carry, and I am not cool with the idea that TSOs should have any access to my medical records, which is about the only documentation there is.

Doctor's note? Bwahahhahahahahaha. TSA ignores those on a routine basis. Nice try but no cigar.

Flaflyer Jun 19, 2009 4:31 pm


Originally Posted by bigbootch (Post 11936343)
(TSA says)To ensure a smooth screening process, passengers are encouraged to limit quantities to what is needed for the duration of the flight.

Totally Beee Ssss. All about what is convenient for the TSA, not their customers. :td:

If a person has need of a medication, we assume it is necessary for maintaining thier health and/or life. Any smart pax has in their carry on all medications needed for their trip plus a week extra. Only backup or extra in their checked bag. Checked bags get lost.

How long is the flight? Schedule says DTW NRT is 14 hr. But flight is late incoming, there is a 2 hr delay fixing the broke widget in the cockpit, the plane has to land in ANC to refuel and wait 5 hr. because of the volcano, and there is a 3 hr. screening for NotTheSwine Flu in NRT. The 14 hr. trip is now over 25 hr. and you have not left the airport yet.

A pax on a 2 day business trip has only enough meds for the flight to make the TSA happy. Checked bag is lost. Does the pax go to his meeting and risk croaking, or spend the first day trying to get an expensive/difficult replacement prescription in a foreign country, ruining the trip?

"Your flight is only 8 hr long. In 9 hr. you will be reunited with your checked bag." Bee Sss. The 9-11™ crowd is forgetting, well, 9-11. 40 jumbos and 7000 pax dropped in on Halifax for from 2 to 4 days. Even if they unloaded bags, yours might be lost or rerouted on another plane that landed in Gandor. Do you want to bet your life that the Halifax MaandPa Drug Store has an unlimited supply of every rare prescription on earth that 7000 pax might be out of because they "only carried enough for the flight"?

Dear "TSA Representative":

I hope when you retire you travel and follow your own advice. Carry enough of your special medication "for the duration of the flight" only. I hope the airline loses your bag and 20 min. after you land in your island resort a 8.0 earthquake destroys the airport. Do blog us and let us follow your adventures at convincing the locals that getting a replacement prescription for one stupid Gringo is their high priority in the next 24 hr. before you croak.

onlyairfare Jun 19, 2009 7:50 pm

I use a prescription-only fluoridated toothpaste (6 ounce tube) I purchase at the dentist's office. I asked him to write me a prescription specifically for the idiots at TSA; I put the Rx and the toothpaste in a baggie and pack it my carry-on. I've never actually been queried about it, but I'm prepared just in case. ;)

Just how does the TSA propose that one pack only, say, 5 cc of toothpaste anyway? Squeeze out a line in a baggy? How do you pack "only enough pills for the flight" yet keep them in their original labeled Rx containers? Not actually required of course, but some TSOs demand it - perhaps so they can identify the narcotics and have them "surrendered" for their own use?

GoingAway Jun 19, 2009 8:48 pm

I've had the prescription toothpaste, as well but don't use it any longer. That hasn't stopped me from occasionally putting a tube into my bag for a trip here and there for the heck of it. The script is on the box (not the tube) and I've kept the box for their viewing pleasure, but it's never gotten a second glance.

LLM Jun 20, 2009 5:59 pm

Bigbootch, welcome to FT! I sent you a PM explaining how to carry on toothpaste or most anything else you want. For obvious reasons I am not telling in a forum frequented by TSO's!

thegeneral Jun 23, 2009 12:37 am

I'm sure the people behind you in the security lineup weren't rolling their eyes at all about this. They likely appreciated the delay. As a taxpayer, I also appreciate you wasting my money. I brush my teeth at least twice a day. How is it that 3 oz of toothpaste is not enough for you? Do you eat it or something?

LTN Phobia Jun 23, 2009 3:29 am


Originally Posted by TSA
- Passengers with medical conditions are encouraged to limit the quantities to those needed for the duration of the flight.

I find this to be a HIGHLY irresponsible recommendation.

Considering how many bags go missing/delayed and considering the level of reported theft, there is a danger of passenger ending up at the destination without their required medication, if they followed this recommendation.

GoingAway Jun 23, 2009 5:24 am

Wirelessly posted (goingaway's phone: BlackBerry8900/4.6.1.114 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100)


Originally Posted by thegeneral
I'm sure the people behind you in the security lineup weren't rolling their eyes at all about this. They likely appreciated the delay. As a taxpayer, I also appreciate you wasting my money. I brush my teeth at least twice a day. How is it that 3 oz of toothpaste is not enough for you? Do you eat it or something?

That's the attitude I am happy to make wait behind me in any line. Unlike shampoo, it is not easy or even recommended to transfer the paste between containers. Specialized toothpaste rx or not, is not always available / sold in the 3 oz or less size. The cost of the product and additional cost for that smaller size also are a consideration as its diff than for a generic tube of Crest.

whirledtraveler Jun 23, 2009 5:59 am


Originally Posted by TSA
- Passengers with medical conditions are encouraged to limit the quantities to those needed for the duration of the flight.


Originally Posted by LTN Phobia (Post 11953545)
I find this to be a HIGHLY irresponsible recommendation.

Considering how many bags go missing/delayed and considering the level of reported theft, there is a danger of passenger ending up at the destination without their required medication, if they followed this recommendation.

Not to mention that fact that no one should be obliged to check bags. For business travelers that would be a disaster.

LTN Phobia Jun 23, 2009 6:56 am


Originally Posted by whirledtraveler (Post 11953850)
Not to mention that fact that no one should be obliged to check bags. For business travelers that would be a disaster.

At least, it doesn't tend to be a danger to their health if business documents/equipment etc go missing, but telling passengers to check medicines in is irresponsible.

There have been a few diversions that I personally know of as a result of passengers being encouraged to check their medicines in (and being inexperienced travellers they ended up checking all of their medicines in by following this kind of inappropriate piece of advice). Any attempt by anyone to preach checking in their essential medicines should be discouraged. Not only did this kind of advice put the passengers' life at risk by slowing down the access to their medicines (until they got on the ground), they also inconvenienced other passengers and cost the airlines a lot of money.

We experienced travellers know the ins and outs to an extent, but many people rarely travel and they take this sort of advice at face value or even take it further.

Irresponsible behaviour like this by authorities really, really annoys me. :mad:


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