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LessO2 May 19, 2009 9:33 am

More Virtual Strip Search backlash
 
Looks like more media outlets are latching on to this virtual strip-search stuff.


The TSA said all passengers are given the option of choosing a different screening method and that the majority of the time they pick millimeter wave.

But privacy advocates argue that's because the public isn't adequately informed.

“I wasn’t aware that they were in use,” said Don Harms, who was flying from Denver to Canada. “I think people should be made fully aware and have the option.”
Story.

IslandBased May 19, 2009 9:48 am

I saw brief news coverage on the CW channel early this morning, including a divided screen shot of the image. :eek:

PTravel May 19, 2009 9:51 am

Line of the century:

""It basically just let's us know if there is anything out of the ordinary sticking out, their belt, a cell phone," said Dede Colton, an imaging operator with TSA."

Well, sir -- you're certainly out of the ordinary! How does dinner sound?

doober May 19, 2009 10:06 am

May I suggest an e-mail to Lillie Coney at Epic thanking her for bringing the matter of the MMWs to the fore and encouraging Epic and its partners to vigorously pursue ending mandatory use of the machines by travelers.

[email protected]

Ayn R Key May 19, 2009 10:10 am

The CNN atricle ... I love it for it's honesty. That small image is not much larger than the PR images the TSA gives us, but we can clearly see the guy in the picture is hanging to the left. The TSA tells us we can't see that detail.

Mr. Gel-pack May 19, 2009 10:34 am


Originally Posted by Ayn R Key (Post 11772802)
The CNN atricle ... I love it for it's honesty. That small image is not much larger than the PR images the TSA gives us, but we can clearly see the guy in the picture is hanging to the left. The TSA tells us we can't see that detail.

Heh. I missed seeing page 2 of the images on the CNN article. It definitely wouldn't pass the Mull of Kintyre test.

Trollkiller May 19, 2009 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by Mr. Gel-pack (Post 11772942)
Heh. I missed seeing page 2 of the images on the CNN article. It definitely wouldn't pass the Mull of Kintyre test.

Hey y'all want to put NSFW tags on those links. Seriously, you can see the man's doodle clearly.

I guess we will have to start wearing the "I was in the pool" t-shirts to explain shrinkage.

NoClu May 19, 2009 4:01 pm


Originally Posted by Trollkiller (Post 11774561)
Hey y'all want to put NSFW tags on those links. Seriously, you can see the man's doodle clearly.

I guess we will have to start wearing the "I was in the pool" t-shirts to explain shrinkage.

HA, I almost spit Diet Pepsi onto my computer!:D

bocastephen May 19, 2009 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by Ayn R Key (Post 11772802)
The CNN atricle ... I love it for it's honesty. That small image is not much larger than the PR images the TSA gives us, but we can clearly see the guy in the picture is hanging to the left. The TSA tells us we can't see that detail.

He isn't hanging anywhere...he is clearly in need of some 'pharmaceutical' assistance for that little thing.

I'm glad someone finally brought this debate to public light - but we've been down this road before. Eventually the hooplah dies out, people grow tired of listening to the nonsense peddled by the talking head pundits and the TSA goes back on its merry way, making life miserable for everyone...in the name of security, of course.

doober May 19, 2009 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 11774833)
He isn't hanging anywhere...he is clearly in need of some 'pharmaceutical' assistance for that little thing.

I'm glad someone finally brought this debate to public light - but we've been down this road before. Eventually the hooplah dies out, people grow tired of listening to the nonsense peddled by the talking head pundits and the TSA goes back on its merry way, making life miserable for everyone...in the name of security, of course.

Don't give up so easily - Kippie told Bruce Schneier in July of '07 that the backscatter was stopped due to complaints about privacy and explicitness. And remember that this was after Chertoff said he didn't want to hear any whining about privacy when the backscatter was introduced.

txrus May 19, 2009 4:25 pm


"It basically just let's us know if there is anything out of the ordinary sticking out, their belt, a cell phone," said Dede Colton, an imaging operator with TSA.
Both of which, especially the cell phone, will be picked up by the WTMD.

Try again Dede :td:

SylviaCaras May 19, 2009 5:22 pm

EPIC campaign to suspend WBI - link to petition
 
The US Privacy Coalition is requesting sign on to Stop whole body imaging in US airports!

The Electronic Privacy Information Center has announced a national campaign today to suspend the use of "Whole Body Imaging" -- devices that photograph American air travellers stripped naked in US airports. The campaign responds to a policy reversal by the TSA which would now make the the "virtual strip search" mandatory, instead of voluntary as originally announced. EPIC and others say that there are inadequate safeguards to prevent the misuse of the images. They are asking Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to suspend the program and to allow for public comment. For more information, see EPIC's Backscatter X-ray, Whole Body Imaging page.

If you are US Citizen or if you travel to the US, you might be affected with this provisions. Join the sign on, and make your voice be heard.


Sign on the letter here:

http://privacycoalition.org/stopwholebodyimaging/

SJCFlyerLG May 19, 2009 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by SylviaCaras (Post 11775139)
The US Privacy Coalition is requesting sign on to Stop whole body imaging in US airports!

The Electronic Privacy Information Center has announced a national campaign today to suspend the use of "Whole Body Imaging" -- devices that photograph American air travellers stripped naked in US airports. The campaign responds to a policy reversal by the TSA which would now make the the "virtual strip search" mandatory, instead of voluntary as originally announced. EPIC and others say that there are inadequate safeguards to prevent the misuse of the images. They are asking Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to suspend the program and to allow for public comment. For more information, see EPIC's Backscatter X-ray, Whole Body Imaging page.

If you are US Citizen or if you travel to the US, you might be affected with this provisions. Join the sign on, and make your voice be heard.


Sign on the letter here:

http://privacycoalition.org/stopwholebodyimaging/

I signed it. I am curious to see if I magically land on the no-fly list now...

lydia May 19, 2009 5:33 pm

I have entered my name, anonymous as well as my e-mail address and it keeps telling me:

"It appears you entered an invalid email address

Click here to go back."

Lydia


Originally Posted by SylviaCaras (Post 11775139)
The US Privacy Coalition is requesting sign on to Stop whole body imaging in US airports!

The Electronic Privacy Information Center has announced a national campaign today to suspend the use of "Whole Body Imaging" -- devices that photograph American air travellers stripped naked in US airports. The campaign responds to a policy reversal by the TSA which would now make the the "virtual strip search" mandatory, instead of voluntary as originally announced. EPIC and others say that there are inadequate safeguards to prevent the misuse of the images. They are asking Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to suspend the program and to allow for public comment. For more information, see EPIC's Backscatter X-ray, Whole Body Imaging page.

If you are US Citizen or if you travel to the US, you might be affected with this provisions. Join the sign on, and make your voice be heard.


Sign on the letter here:

http://privacycoalition.org/stopwholebodyimaging/


doober May 19, 2009 5:39 pm


Originally Posted by txrus (Post 11774917)
Both of which, especially the cell phone, will be picked up by the WTMD.

Try again Dede :td:

I presume this means that belts have to come off when using the MMW. Nice, now people will be waddling through the machine to try to keep their pants from falling down.

BTW, did you all notice that the MMW is now being called the WBI for Whole Body Imaginging? A tactic designed to throw some off the track?


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