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SDF_Traveler Apr 12, 2009 12:31 pm


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 11561934)
"Ugh."

That is the only thing I have to say today. I am bushed.

So this nice big line of thunderstorms decide to rip through the south today. One of them lands a big ol' squawk of hail and lightning and horrendous wind right on top of Huntsville International Airport.

Shortly after the x-ray machines and the WTMDs go down, the public safety guys (i.e.; the APo) make the decision to evacuate the concourse. They shanghai a couple of the TSOs to help move the passengers in the checkpoint at that moment in time down to the tornado shelter, and the rest of us hike out to another tornado shelter.

Sounds like you had your hands full!

What/where is the tornado shelter at HSV? (some back-office areas or basement area, not normally open to the public ?)

A few years ago I happened to be on a flight from LAX to MSP; as we started our decent it was obvious we were flying next to a huge t-storm.

Upon landing, you could hear the tornado sirens from inside the aircraft. We do a fast taxi and make our way to the gate.

Inside the terminal it's completely packed (many delayed and canceled flights). There was an announcement that would keep running about the tornado warning and to seek shelter away from glass.

A bit difficult to do at MSP with the design - ok, I guess you could go landside and down to the basement/ground transport area (or over to concourse A/B) -- I was in the F/G area.

About 5% of the people in the terminal were taking the warning seriously and were grouped in the few areas away from windows.

As far as everyone else, it was business as usual. I proceed to the NW lounge - business as usual other than a couple of announcements to stay away from the glass.

Storm was pretty nasty, but it went through and the ramp opened back up an hour later once the lightning subsided.

If they would have evacuated the terminal and forced everyone out (not quite sure where there would be space for everyone) - it would have been ugly, even with all the TSA checkpoints at MSP.

Thankfully my connecting aircraft and crew arrived before the storm -- there were a lot of diversions and cancellations that night.

HSVTSO Dean Apr 12, 2009 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by SDF_Traveler
What/where is the tornado shelter at HSV? (some back-office areas or basement area, not normally open to the public ?)

Right! It's a room right in front of the Elite Travel glass hut. It's marked with a white sign with a little green tornado on it that says tornado shelter (or something similar to that, anyway; seven years here and I haven't ever really looked at the sign). If you go in there, though, you're probably going to wonder ... is going on because it's just a hallway that leads to the kitchen area for the hotel restaurant and the service elevator for the hotel, along with the hotel workers' break room. Another door, about half-way down the hallway, has the same sign on it, and if you open it you are then presented with an area right out of one of the Saw™ movies. It's a confining, narrow, steep concrete staircase that spirals down in hard angles, and once you're down there, you're basically left in a dark concrete room that the hotel has almost completely taken over as a laundry room. There's still enough room to legally use it as a storm shelter, I suppose, but it'd be a little odd going down there and you're surrounded by steam cleaners and crap. Pack a hundred people in there (about as much as I would care to try to squeeze in) and things are going to get toasty awfully fast.

The other tornado shelter is on the far side of the building, but it's entirely for airport workers, since it's actually located inside the SIDA, underneath gate three.


About 5% of the people in the terminal were taking the warning seriously and were grouped in the few areas away from windows.

As far as everyone else, it was business as usual. I proceed to the NW lounge - business as usual other than a couple of announcements to stay away from the glass.
Yeah, it wasn't very optional here in HSV when it happened. Public safety rolled through in person and basically told everyone to drop everything and GTFO. The passengers, the gift shop workers, the restaurateurs; everybody.

goalie Apr 13, 2009 11:43 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 11562366)
Oh, by the way:

The moral of the story is that, next week, when the TSA lineup on the homepage says however many checkpoint evacuations/breaches/checkpoint closures there were in that week, there's going to be at least one, and it was at HSV :D

here ya go HSVTSO Dean...if the tsa won't give you face time, i will ;) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/11573667-post230.html

FliesWay2Much Apr 13, 2009 12:03 pm

Years ago, I was connecting through the then-brand new Denver Airport on the second day of operations. I met a friend who was a UA employee at the airport while waiting for my connection. He told me there had been a tornado that had touched down on the airport. An announcement of the tornado and advice to seek shelter in the terminal. Two things happened:

1. The airport officials realized that they had not prepared any tornado procedures; and,

2. Based on the popularity of the movie, Twister, which was running in theaters at that time, many people moved towards the terminal windows to get a good look at the tornado!

Most tornados travel southwest --> northeast. If you're outside and can move in a vehicle, try to get out of the way at a 90-degree angle to the SW/NE line (i.e.: escape either to the SE or NW direction, whicever direction would not cause you to cross the likely path of the cyclone).

TSASuper Apr 13, 2009 4:51 pm

At DHN, the only rooms with no windows are our bathrooms. Then again, since it was built by the lowest bidder, we might as well just advise passengers to stick their heads between their legs and...well, you know the rest.

HSVTSO Dean Apr 13, 2009 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by goalie
here ya go HSVTSO Dean...if the tsa won't give you face time, i will

^

Superguy Apr 14, 2009 2:25 pm


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 11561934)
Shortly after the x-ray machines and the WTMDs go down, the public safety guys (i.e.; the APo) make the decision to evacuate the concourse. They shanghai a couple of the TSOs to help move the passengers in the checkpoint at that moment in time down to the tornado shelter, and the rest of us hike out to another tornado shelter.

Ten minutes later, they give us the all-clear (a tornado was not, in fact, about to demolish the airport~) and we go back to the checkpoint. On the other side of the still-closed-and-locked gate are about 300 passengers wanting to get back into the sterile area.

Well, they had to evacuate the terminal out of an Abundance of Caution®. Could you imagine what would have happened if a tornado touched down and they hadn't evacuated? :D :rolleyes:

FliesWay2Much Apr 14, 2009 6:35 pm


Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 11581132)
Well, they had to evacuate the terminal out of an Abundance of Caution®. Could you imagine what would have happened if a tornado touched down and they hadn't evacuated? :D :rolleyes:

Simple -- the TSA would have said that it was somebody else's responsibility.

RadioGirl Apr 14, 2009 8:35 pm


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 11582469)
Simple -- the TSA would have said that it was somebody else's responsibility.

Great stand-up routine* about a guy visiting Australia during a cyclone, and the locals keep joking, "Did you bring this weather with you?" His response, "I can't even bring a candy bar into this country, and you think I smuggled in a &*$%# low pressure system?! 'Anything to declare?' 'Hmm, just this tropical cyclone, sir.' " :D

(*Dylan Moran, maybe?)

jonesing Apr 15, 2009 2:02 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 11570928)
Yeah, it wasn't very optional here in HSV when it happened. Public safety rolled through in person and basically told everyone to drop everything and GTFO. The passengers, the gift shop workers, the restaurateurs; everybody.

A friend who transfered to HSV said her gf picking her up told her about this.

She's not happy about living in HSV right now: her new VW got damaged by the hail--enough for her to file an insurance claim. Don't you know that the local Enterprise office said >60% of their vehicles got damaged so she's gone from a sexy, sporty little VW to......a Ford F-150 crew cab! :D

Trollkiller Apr 15, 2009 3:30 am


Originally Posted by jonesing (Post 11584250)
A friend who transfered to HSV said her gf picking her up told her about this.

She's not happy about living in HSV right now: her new VW got damaged by the hail--enough for her to file an insurance claim. Don't you know that the local Enterprise office said >60% of their vehicles got damaged so she's gone from a sexy, sporty little VW to......a Ford F-150 crew cab! :D

F-150s are sexy as hell.

Trollkiller Apr 15, 2009 3:38 am

Dean I am glad that it was a false alarm. A couple of years ago a tornado hit my work. I was the sole survivor. (of course I was the only one there at the time but "sole survivor" sounds better than "I was all alone")

myrgirl Apr 15, 2009 2:45 pm


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 11561934)
"Ugh."

That is the only thing I have to say today. I am bushed.

So this nice big line of thunderstorms decide to rip through the south today. One of them lands a big ol' squawk of hail and lightning and horrendous wind right on top of Huntsville International Airport.

Shortly after the x-ray machines and the WTMDs go down, the public safety guys (i.e.; the APo) make the decision to evacuate the concourse. They shanghai a couple of the TSOs to help move the passengers in the checkpoint at that moment in time down to the tornado shelter, and the rest of us hike out to another tornado shelter.

Ten minutes later, they give us the all-clear (a tornado was not, in fact, about to demolish the airport~) and we go back to the checkpoint. On the other side of the still-closed-and-locked gate are about 300 passengers wanting to get back into the sterile area.

Oh, my gawd.

Huntsville is a fairly small airport insofar as things go. Whereas an airport like LaGuardia might have three thousand people in line at any given time, they also have, like, a thousand screening lanes. We have two.

After four TSOs were yanked up from baggage screening (we're all dual-function screeners in HSV) to help, it took about twenty minutes to screen everyone back into the sterile area. It was a hard, butt-busting twenty minutes, though.

Ugh. Time to get the wife to rub my poor, aching feet~


That sounds like a lot of excitement. I can feel for you since I once spent a hurricane at the airport. Once the power went out (Surprise! The emergency generators failed to kick on.) we ended up physically searching every carry-on by the light of a portable spotlight set up in front of the escalator while listenening to the maddening beeps coming from the 3 walkthroughs reminding us they were running on battery back up power until they finally (thankfully) died. Then everyone got handwanded. Driving home on empty roads after I finally got cut loose was eerie. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention for the benefit of those who've never transited here, the entire front wall of the terminal, most of the airside wall and large portions of the downstairs ceiling are glass.

TSASuper Apr 20, 2009 5:06 am


Originally Posted by myrgirl (Post 11588002)
That sounds like a lot of excitement. I can feel for you since I once spent a hurricane at the airport. Once the power went out (Surprise! The emergency generators failed to kick on.) we ended up physically searching every carry-on by the light of a portable spotlight set up in front of the escalator while listenening to the maddening beeps coming from the 3 walkthroughs reminding us they were running on battery back up power until they finally (thankfully) died. Then everyone got handwanded. Driving home on empty roads after I finally got cut loose was eerie. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention for the benefit of those who've never transited here, the entire front wall of the terminal, most of the airside wall and large portions of the downstairs ceiling are glass.

Oh yea.
Been there, too. We had tornados nearby (I think it was Christmas Eve 2005) btu caused enough damage to cut power for 2 days. We have no emergency power generators. We had to deal with that WTMD beep as well. I tried everything short of forcing the control panel open and ripping out the battery. Duct tape over the speaker helped a bit.
2 days worth of physical searches was enough for me. I was so happy when the power was turned back on.

We still don't have backup power.


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