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Behavior Detection in STL-article
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I wear sun glasses all the time. If some SPOT would ask me to lower them I would tell them to go .... themselves.
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Those led to 807 arrests, many stemming from travelers being stopped with multiple IDs, bogus travel documents or drugs. |
Originally Posted by mkt
(Post 11459523)
What's their definition of multiple ID's?
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......Brooks, 59, politely asked a traveler in a black jogging suit to lower his dark sunglasses as he walked past. She glanced at his eyes and allowed him to proceed. Brooks and other behavior detection officers scoured checkpoints and terminals for people exhibiting suspicious behavior that might pose a security threat. |
A TSA spokeswoman said the agency has received a total of five passenger complaints nationwide about the behavior detection program since it began about two years ago. Mike |
1,536,000,000 air travelers transit our airports in a 2-year period, 98,711 flagged for secondary screening and 807 arrests, not one of them a terrorist.
You do the math - I can't, but I can tell you it's a terrible waste of money. |
Originally Posted by goalie
(Post 11459862)
why in god's name didn't this sheep just keep on walking and ignore the spotter. that's what i would do, "plane" and simple. let spot run after me and see what happens.....
When I wear sunglasses indoors, it's because I have a migraine and I'm sensitive to light. If someone asked me to take them off, I know what I would say (it's a TOS violation to post it). Some of my favorite quotes from the article: An October report by the National Research Council, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences, concluded that there is "no scientific consensus" that behavioral surveillance techniques like those employed by the TSA are an effective way to combat terrorism. It found they have "enormous potential for privacy violations." Nationally, more than 2,500 behavior detection officers work in 161 airports. They receive four days of classroom training and three days of training on the job. Last year, they flagged 98,711 people for secondary screening and wound up referring 9,836 of those to law enforcement. "For us to become involved and do more than just a casual conversation, we have to operate on reasonable suspicion and probable cause," said Lambert Police Chief Paul Mason said. "If they call us, we respond. The officer does what he thinks his training tells him to do and what our procedures are." Bill Switzer, the TSA's federal security director at Lambert, said the officers who volunteer to do behavior detection work have a background in security screening, and undergo a thorough assessment. Officers receive ongoing training. "You can't just be anybody off the street," Switzer said. But Mason, who is president of Airport Law Enforcement Agencies Network, disagrees. He said behavior detection officers attend a week's worth of classes to perform tasks that intelligence officers take years to perfect. And the very nature of airports makes it difficult to get an accurate read of people, he added. "When people come to an airport, they're usually experiencing some emotion. Anxiety. Joy," Mason said. "And how they manifest that could easily be mistaken for furtive behavior of a suspicious person." |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 11459964)
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Bill Switzer, the TSA's federal security director at Lambert, said the officers who volunteer to do behavior detection work have a background in security screening, and undergo a thorough assessment. Officers receive ongoing training. "You can't just be anybody off the street," Switzer said. |
Originally Posted by doober
(Post 11459958)
1,536,000,000 air travelers transit our airports in a 2-year period, 98,711 flagged for secondary screening and 807 arrests, not one of them a terrorist.
You do the math - I can't, but I can tell you it's a terrible waste of money. |
Originally Posted by N830MH
(Post 11461353)
Yeah, it way too many people who put into the secondary screening at checkpoint. I think LEO will eventually to get arrested as charges of traveler fraudulent as identifiable theft. I'm sure they will spent in the prisons for a long time. I knows that I am never look like suspicious behaviors. The criminals will have to keep off the aircraft and they need to be more protections as real identify.
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Originally Posted by avkillick
(Post 11461835)
Even babelfish can't do anything with above quote. Do you also talk like this??
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Originally Posted by avkillick
(Post 11461835)
Even babelfish can't do anything with above quote. Do you also talk like this??
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Originally Posted by doober
(Post 11462154)
How about an apology?
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The country is making progress-- or at least the readers of this particular article. The comments are almost all anti-TSA.
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Originally Posted by avkillick
(Post 11461835)
Even babelfish can't do anything with above quote. Do you also talk like this??
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Originally Posted by avkillick
(Post 11461835)
Even babelfish can't do anything with above quote. Do you also talk like this??
Feeling a bit foolish yet?:td: |
Originally Posted by coachrowsey
(Post 11459468)
I wear sun glasses all the time. If some SPOT would ask me to lower them I would tell them to go .... themselves.
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Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 11463285)
I wouldn't go quite that far. But I would refuse. Politely, of course. :D
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Timeout for everyone!
Originally Posted by doober
(Post 11462154)
How about an apology?
Originally Posted by warmsnickers
(Post 11461874)
As indicated in the poster's signature line, he/she is a user of American Sign Language, which has different syntactical rules than English.
Originally Posted by Good Guy
(Post 11463242)
How's your ASL?
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 11463282)
ASL=American Sign Languages
Feeling a bit foolish yet?:td: |
Originally Posted by N830MH
(Post 11463720)
Please don't be concerns about my personal information. So please be more appropriately on the FlyerTalk forums. So please be more understandably that I am very good English skills but, sometimes that I don't mix with English rather than ASL. Because I am valuable posts by FlyerTalk. Please be more respectable with me and I will not try to be tolerate for everyone. Thank you for your understanding.
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 11463310)
Depends where you are in the airport. Outside the sterile area they can't really do anything, so flipping them the bird is probably OK depending on your mood. If you're outside the terminal itself, they are fair game for what ever you want to say or do.
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 11459964)
^^
When I wear sunglasses indoors, it's because I have a migraine and I'm sensitive to light. If someone asked me to take them off, I know what I would say (it's a TOS violation to post it). 1) "I'm sorry, I'm a vampire and the direct sunlight could cause me to burst into flames." 2) "I don't want to have red-eye in the surveillance photos." 3) "The CIA has implanted a chip in my brain and removal of the sunglasses allows them to track me." 4) "I don't speak English." Mike |
Originally Posted by mikeef
(Post 11465983)
A couple of possibilities:
1) "I'm sorry, I'm a vampire and the direct sunlight could cause me to burst into flames." 2) "I don't want to have red-eye in the surveillance photos." 3) "The CIA has implanted a chip in my brain and removal of the sunglasses allows them to track me." 4) "I don't speak English." Mike |
What the heck? If somebody asked me to remove my sunglasses, I'd refuse. How does removing sunglasses "fix" anything?
This can also be interpreted as false detainment, since the article states that after he took his sunglasses off, the TSAer let him go. He has every legal right to just ignore that TSAer and continue walking. Why is it that airports are increasingly feeling like high school hallways these days? |
Originally Posted by TSA SpokesHole
A TSA spokeswoman said the agency has received a total of five passenger complaints nationwide about the behavior detection program since it began about two years ago.
Originally Posted by St. Louis Post-Dispatch
"There is a different environment at the airport than in, for example, a shopping mall," said Brooks, a former store detective who watched the checkpoint leading to the C and D concourses. "And you have to take that into account. People are out of their element."
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Obviously that TSA spokesperson has thrown down the gauntlet. Only 5 complaints about SPOTniks in two years?!?! OK! Let's get to work. From now on, every random, wandering SPOTsoid who asks, "How's it going?" my response is, "What's your name? Can I see your TSA badge?" and complain.
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