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Jenbel Feb 10, 2009 8:49 am

Ok, I have to bite - do many people travel with a snowglobe? It's not something that I automatically think to pack

<visions of elderly ladies with snowglobes and doilies, decorating their tray table to make them feel more at home :D>

BubbaLoop Feb 10, 2009 10:10 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 11233143)
TSO's are incapable of making judgement calls in this case although they apparently can tell how much LGA a tube of tube paste could contain since they are packed by weight. See it's all about consistency!:confused:

I can imagine that dealing with a formula that involves the third power and pi is too much for the TSA. However, not even snow globes in their original packaging, with the volume description on them, are allowed. We try to help, and get nothing in return!!


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 11233391)
Ok, I have to bite - do many people travel with a snowglobe? It's not something that I automatically think to pack

<visions of elderly ladies with snowglobes and doilies, decorating their tray table to make them feel more at home :D>

I purchased mini (I mean really mini, about 3 cm diameter, or 14 mL according to my calculations) snow globes in a souvenir store AT THE AIRPORT (leftover change) and had them confiscated (even after I put them inside the freedom baggie). It does not matter how often it happens - it is ridiculous and must stop. Even if they do look like an IED on the X-ray, that is no justification to prohibit them. We honest citizens are not obliged to make it easier for the TSA to detect "bad stuff". They are here to detect it no matter what items we choose to take.

Boggie Dog Feb 10, 2009 10:19 am


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop (Post 11233926)
I can imagine that dealing with a formula that involves the third power and pi is too much for the TSA. However, not even snow globes in their original packaging, with the volume description on them, are allowed. We try to help, and get nothing in return!!



I purchased mini (I mean really mini, about 3 cm diameter, or 14 mL according to my calculations) snow globes in a souvenir store AT THE AIRPORT (leftover change) and had them confiscated (even after I put them inside the freedom baggie). It does not matter how often it happens - it is ridiculous and must stop. Even if they do look like an IED on the X-ray, that is no justification to prohibit them. We honest citizens are not obliged to make it easier for the TSA to detect "bad stuff". They are here to detect it no matter what items we choose to take.

Shame on you for buying a Super Duper Mini Me IED from the airport gift shop and have the daring of placing it in your carryon. You evil terwworist you!!

Boggie Dog Feb 10, 2009 10:20 am


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 11233391)
Ok, I have to bite - do many people travel with a snowglobe? It's not something that I automatically think to pack

<visions of elderly ladies with snowglobes and doilies, decorating their tray table to make them feel more at home :D>


Ever take a kid to a place like Disney World or such were such eveil things are sold?

NY-FLA Feb 10, 2009 10:34 am


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 11233391)
Ok, I have to bite - do many people travel with a snowglobe? It's not something that I automatically think to pack ...

No, only those who might want souvenirs or gifts for those at home. :rolleyes:

Personally, I would never think of buying one, never mind travelling with it, but I wouldn't presume that my lack of personal snow globe awareness means the full force of a federal agency is required to prohibit said items in carry-on bags.

LiquidJ Feb 10, 2009 10:36 am


Originally Posted by oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate (Post 11232774)
The similarity to an IED when viewed on the X-ray.

The TSA's philosophy in recent years seems to be to prohibit things that LOOK like bombs, apparently in the hopes of making real bombs more recognizable.

So I won't be able to carry on my hairdryer with a scope? My bowling ball candle (even though bowling balls and candles are, individually, explicitly allowed)? :p

NY-FLA Feb 10, 2009 10:46 am


Originally Posted by LiquidJ (Post 11234096)
So I won't be able to carry on my hairdryer with a scope? My bowling ball candle (even though bowling balls and candles are, individually, explicitly allowed)? :p

Of course not.
And,
1) putting wires anywhere near your cheese block
or 2) buying anything from the "ACME" company
is (in best Monty Python shrill voice) "right out".

What in H E double hockey sticks does an IED "look" like anyway?

BubbaLoop Feb 10, 2009 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 11233981)
Shame on you for buying a Super Duper Mini Me IED from the airport gift shop and have the daring of placing it in your carryon. You evil terwworist you!!

I am watch-listed too, so I really am someone to watch out for!!

Come to think of it, how could those super-tiny globes, melded to their tiny supports (rather cheap, 2.60 Euros a piece, I believe) be confused with an IED on an X-ray?

Hum...

Why am I trying to find reason within this??

NoClu Feb 10, 2009 1:39 pm

for about 3 of my heavy traveling years I would buy the ugliest snow globe I could find for my admin asst. It was kind of fun "out uglying" the previous travel location...

Sadly TSA rules = not the same fun.:td:

BubbaLoop Feb 10, 2009 1:56 pm

Come to think of it, what if I wanted to take a crystal ball, and objected to prohibitions saying it is a religious item?

LiquidJ Feb 10, 2009 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop (Post 11235440)
Come to think of it, what if I wanted to take a crystal ball, and objected to prohibitions saying it is a religious item?

Good question - I'm not sure that your standard soothsaying (soothshowing?) crystal balls contain water, though. But they're probably heavy enough to be considered a weapon.

I will try your experiement as you suggest - but replacing "crystal ball" with "magic 8 ball" :p

NY-FLA Feb 10, 2009 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop (Post 11235154)
...
Hum...

Why am I trying to find reason within this??

Not worth it; just default to cynicism, that's the only value this has.

MKEbound Feb 10, 2009 3:02 pm


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 11233391)
Ok, I have to bite - do many people travel with a snowglobe? It's not something that I automatically think to pack

<visions of elderly ladies with snowglobes and doilies, decorating their tray table to make them feel more at home :D>

The only thing my 4 year old wanted during our recent trip to Belize was a small snowglobe.

The TSA in MIA took it, despite that it clearly had less than 3oz of liquid and could fit in my freedom baggie.

BubbaLoop Feb 10, 2009 5:56 pm


Originally Posted by LiquidJ (Post 11235708)
Good question - I'm not sure that your standard soothsaying (soothshowing?) crystal balls contain water, though. But they're probably heavy enough to be considered a weapon.

I will try your experiement as you suggest - but replacing "crystal ball" with "magic 8 ball" :p

Crystal balls may be akin to bowling balls, which seem to be a no-no too (although I have never tried that!). But still, standard operations have to take into account you can't deny anyone their religious rights, correct??

Maybe I'll try both taking both a crystal and a magic 8 ball through, and claim to be from Psychics United or something of the sort. I wonder where I could purchase a crystal ball...

Or maybe I'll stick to an already created religion and take pasta sauce as a religious item.

I kind of like the idea of creating havoc with ridiculousness at the checkpoint, calling in supervisors, etc, as a form of retaliation for years of strip searches and messed up checked luggage...

LiquidJ Feb 10, 2009 6:58 pm


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop (Post 11236844)
But still, standard operations have to take into account you can't deny anyone their religious rights, correct??

I wonder if I wore a Roman collar, if I could bring more than 3oz of holy water? I'm certain I'll immediately be struck by lightning and/or my mother will never speak to me again, but it might be an interesting experiment.


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop (Post 11236844)
I kind of like the idea of creating havoc with ridiculousness at the checkpoint, calling in supervisors, etc, as a form of retaliation for years of strip searches and messed up checked luggage...

Totally agreed - I just have to make sure I have nowhere in particular to go that day.


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