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cs19 Jan 3, 2009 12:16 pm

Will an Aerosol explode in Checked Bags? TSA allow it?
 
I know, I know... run a search. Well I've run a bunch with various wordings and could only find one thread talking about champagne, and a bunch talking about carry on bags.

Trying to bring four (yes, four) metal aerosol containers of spray-on sunscreen to Mexico. They're from Target, unopened, shrink wrapped in pairs. Each container is 6 oz. for 24 oz. total.

So... do I run the risk of them exploding? Some mixed info about pressurized or non-pressurized luggage holds. FYI, will be on a NW DC9-50, 753 and A320 for the trip.

Also, TSA says "Aerosol (any except for personal care or toiletries in limited quantities)" are not allowed in checked luggage. I think sunscreen qualifies as "personal care" but I'm not sure if 24 oz. total falls within a "limited quantity."

Any ideas?
Explode?
Allowed?

Thanks!

chgoeditor Jan 3, 2009 1:52 pm

I've flown with plenty of checked aerosol cans and never have any exploded. At worst, you run the risk that one might leak a little (as is possible with any liquid). I'd put all of your liquids, including the aerosol cans, in ziplock bags.

TSA doesn't care about 4 cans of sunscreen (unless an unethical TSA screener has recently run out of sunscreen and is looking to lift some).

Princess1 Jan 3, 2009 3:31 pm

I fly with that stuff all the time, cheaper than buying it in Hawaii or Carib.

Might want to put them in a ziploc, as I have had a few minor leaks.

Emeraldcity Jan 3, 2009 3:59 pm

I fly with mine all the time in checked bag, I do put them in plastic bags though as on several occassions the hairspray has leaked. So better safe than sorry, use that plastic baggie in your checked bag.

ACB Jan 3, 2009 6:59 pm

Echoing the PPs....I've flown with aerosol hairspray many many times. It has leaked on occasion so a ziploc or plastic bag is wise.

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Loren Pechtel Jan 3, 2009 9:15 pm

Multiple trips with pressurized spray cans. Never had a problem. Never drawn a search. I haven't done it recently but if I had a can I wished to transport I wouldn't hesitate to check it. I'm not sure about carry-on.

Cholula Jan 3, 2009 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 11006589)
Multiple trips with pressurized spray cans. Never had a problem. Never drawn a search.


Absolutely agree.

Don't give it a second thought.

GUWonder Jan 4, 2009 12:12 am

Almost never "explodes"/"leaks" -- at least in comparison to heavier liquids and gels like hair conditioner or hand moisturizing lotions which are not dispensed by an aerosol can and are far more likely to "explode"/"leak".

An aerosol can can trigger a search sometimes -- at the passenger security checkpoint or the baggage security screening location(s) -- but usually it doesn't seem to do that.

HSVTSO Dean Jan 4, 2009 5:57 am

Yeah, it should be alright.

The only time aerosols get interesting is when the (a) the can size is enormous (a single can in excess of 18oz), or (b) it's considered flammable and not for personal use.

Personal use has been interpreted in HSV as something that you actually spray onto your body. By that definition, (and assuming all are flammable, I'm using this as an example and don't actually have them in front of me to check for flammability~) bug repellent aerosols are just fine (such as Off!™), but bug-killing sprays (such as Raid™) are not. You don't spray it on you, you spray it on the bug.

Interestingly, Static Guard™ is also considered a non-personal item. You spray it on your clothes, not on yourself.

Spray-on sunscreen, which goes directly onto your skin, should be considered a personal item.

BubbaLoop Jan 4, 2009 6:36 am

Dean,

Thanks for that explanation - very clear and precise.

However, don't you think this is rather ridiculous? Why would "personal" aerosols be OK, but not aerosols not sprayed onto the body, in particular in checked luggage??

HSVTSO Dean Jan 4, 2009 7:15 am


Originally Posted by BubbaLoop
However, don't you think this is rather ridiculous? Why would "personal" aerosols be OK, but not aerosols not sprayed onto the body, in particular in checked luggage??

Well, the aerosols in question have to be flammable, too. It's a matter of hazardous material. Strictly speaking, you can have a 12oz can of spray starch, and it's going to be just fine. It doesn't go on your body, no, but it's also not flammable, either.

It should be noted, however, that regardless of flammability or not, any aerosol can is still limited to 18oz (this is, I think, for combustibility, but it also falls under the hazardous material guidelines). Most of the hazmat that comes out of checked baggage is the big 22oz cans of spray starch.

As far as why they're okay, and those not sprayed onto the body aren't? They're not "okay." They'd still be flammable, they'd still be potentially dangerous. The difference comes, however, because TSA does want people to continue flying :D

Hypothetically speaking, it'd be a lot easier, and potentially safer, just to say that any flammable aerosol is prohibited in checked baggage. It'd also make checkpoint operations a lot easier if carry-ons were eliminated and everyone was limited to what they could fit into a quart-sized baggie (and I don't mean for LGA, I mean, like, period. Keys, a cellphone, maybe a twinkie~). TSA isn't going to do that — at least, not without some kind of massive justification for doing so, such as... oh... something on the scale of 9/11³ already taking place — because if they did, the outrage from our fellow citizens would be horrendous, it'd be a total and complete PR disaster, and would probably result in either nobody flying, the TSA getting smacked by Congress, or, most likely, both.

So, yeah. Personal items are exempt from the flammability requirements of checked baggage. :P

oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate Jan 4, 2009 7:23 am


Interestingly, Static Guard™ is also considered a non-personal item. You spray it on your clothes, not on yourself.
This is a huge pet peeve of mine!

I spray Static Guard on my hair all the time! :mad:

Bubbaloop, I think the apparent stupidity of the rules (LOL) is a reflection of the fact they're yet another hybrid of safety, public relations and customer service. Being neither fish nor fowl, they do not really enhance safety very effectively, and they still manage to tick off a fair amount of passengers. Such is the nature of compromise, eh? *sigh*

An even better example are the rules governing lighters* in checked baggage. Technically, they're not allowed, but if we see them in the course of an inspection, we're supposed to assume that they're empty, unless it's obvious they're not (for instance, they're leaking and we can smell lighter fluid -- but how often does that happen?).

* Note that this silly policy only applies to BIC and similar lighters, not torch lighters, which are prohibited in checked AND carry-on bags, and that rule is enforced.

BubbaLoop Jan 4, 2009 7:50 am

Dean and oneofthose,

I really appreciate your help explaining the nature of these rather complicated and completely illogical restrictions. I also find it surprising that seemingly reasonable persons such as yourselves manage to work within such a ludicrous system (regardless if you still think what you do helps or not). It must be a personality thing - I could not work for something I don't believe in wholeheartedly. I could not follow ridiculous rules.


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 11007992)
It'd also make checkpoint operations a lot easier if carry-ons were eliminated and everyone was limited to what they could fit into a quart-sized baggie (and I don't mean for LGA, I mean, like, period. Keys, a cellphone, maybe a twinkie~).

Actually, although I know I am going to get clobbered for this by many of the other fliers here, I agree that carry-on limitations should exist, not to the level of one quart-size baggie, but maybe the size of a reasonable backpack (which can take a laptop, food, a book, glasses, a cardigan and a few other things you want to use on board). I think people bring altogether too much on board to avoid checking it in (although I am not denying there are problems with checked luggage).


Originally Posted by oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate (Post 11008026)
I think the apparent stupidity of the rules (LOL) is a reflection of the fact they're yet another hybrid of safety, public relations and customer service. Being neither fish nor fowl, they do not really enhance safety very effectively, and they still manage to tick off a fair amount of passengers.

Exactly! Why not scratch them and start all over again?!!

cs19 Jan 4, 2009 9:53 am

Thanks everyone for the feedback, especially Dean and oneofthose. Mexico here I come!!!


oh, but a quick follow up to satisfy pure FTer curiosity - mostly for Dean or oneofthose:
So the quantity limit on "personal items" relates to a single can size, like 18oz? Does that mean there is no overall limit? Pack as many aerosols as you want, as long as they are all personal items and under 18oz for each bottle? I'm not doing this, just curious now.

cs19 Jan 4, 2009 9:59 am


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 11007992)
Well, the aerosols in question have to be flammable, too. It's a matter of hazardous material.
...
As far as why they're okay, and those not sprayed onto the body aren't? They're not "okay." They'd still be flammable, they'd still be potentially dangerous. The difference comes, however, because TSA does want people to continue flying :D
...
So, yeah. Personal items are exempt from the flammability requirements of checked baggage. :P

Just thought I would add: you are correct. On the back of the 6oz spray sunscreen bottles:

FLAMMABLE: do not use near heat, flame or while smoking. Avoid long terms storage above 104 degrees F (40 deg. C).

Global_Hi_Flyer Jan 4, 2009 11:46 am

Hairspray makes a great torch. And great propellant for potato cannons. Or so I've heard. ;)

oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate Jan 4, 2009 12:06 pm


It must be a personality thing - I could not work for something I don't believe in wholeheartedly.
I couldn't do it full-time (it would drive me crazy!) but 20 hours a week, in the early-morning hours when I wouldn't be accomplishing anything useful anyway, is OK! ^

The rest of my life is spent pretty meaningfully, and my TSO paycheck helps to fund those endeavors. The compromise is acceptable!

CS19, I think the overall amount of aerosols is limited to something like 96 oz. I haven't worked in checked baggage for at least a year, so I'm a little fuzzy on the rules -- maybe one of the other TSOs can help me out here?

Princess1 Jan 4, 2009 12:23 pm

3 weeks in paradise X2 people who reapply constantly (and rarely burn:) =
2-3 gallon size bags of the stuff. Yeah, maybe a little overkill, but a bottle of lotion + spray for each gear bag, variety of SPF's for different uses, spray runs out quick, etc. Not all spray, but lotions and such goes in the bag as well.

We do tend to split the bags up into 2 suitcases, unless mine is full and then takes all the stuff. :D When we come home, the extra room gets filled up with rum.

FYI- Banana Boat has a great aloe after-sun lotion. Really helps after all the sun/sand/surf, and smells good.

Enjoy the beach- I still have 120 days to go.....

Princess1 Jan 4, 2009 12:24 pm

And if you are not staying on the beach, you have a big chance of mosquitos. Hairspray rocks- "super hold" the wings and they drop.

HSVTSO Dean Jan 4, 2009 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by cs19
So the quantity limit on "personal items" relates to a single can size, like 18oz? Does that mean there is no overall limit? Pack as many aerosols as you want, as long as they are all personal items and under 18oz for each bottle? I'm not doing this, just curious now.


Originally Posted by OFTPYLTH
CS19, I think the overall amount of aerosols is limited to something like 96 oz. I haven't worked in checked baggage for at least a year, so I'm a little fuzzy on the rules -- maybe one of the other TSOs can help me out here?

I had to look this one up, because it's been so long since I went over it. :D

For checked baggage: There is no quantity limit for non-flammable personal items (to include non-flammable aerosols).

If the personal item is flammable, in the form of an aerosol such as hairspray, or a liquid like fingernail polish remover, then the capacity of the container may not exceed 18oz (.5kg) or 16 fl.oz. (470mL).

The total quantity of personal items that would otherwise be classified as hazardous material may not exceed 70oz (2kg) or 68 fl.oz. (2L).

DevilDog438 Jan 4, 2009 4:38 pm


Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 11007992)
It'd also make checkpoint operations a lot easier if carry-ons were eliminated and everyone was limited to what they could fit into a quart-sized baggie (and I don't mean for LGA, I mean, like, period. Keys, a cellphone, maybe a twinkie~).

No way in HELL. Since the TSA does not permit us to properly secure our luggage (I refuse to acknowledge those cheap-... TSA-Approved locks as valid locks, they are too damn easily broken). I am REQUIRED to travel domestically with my laptop in order to be functional at work. I have to have it in my possession in order to be functional while IN TRANSIT, in the event that a customer requires remote support. At present, ALL US-domestic airlines specifically state that laptops are NOT permitted or covered in checked luggage.

Superguy Jan 4, 2009 7:48 pm


Originally Posted by DevilDog438 (Post 11010663)
No way in HELL. Since the TSA does not permit us to properly secure our luggage (I refuse to acknowledge those cheap-... TSA-Approved locks as valid locks, they are too damn easily broken). I am REQUIRED to travel domestically with my laptop in order to be functional at work. I have to have it in my possession in order to be functional while IN TRANSIT, in the event that a customer requires remote support. At present, ALL US-domestic airlines specifically state that laptops are NOT permitted or covered in checked luggage.

Since when has TSA cared about what airlines, Congress, or the people think?

hl78 Jan 5, 2009 12:56 pm

What about a "spare air?"

http://www.spareair.com/service/index.htm


I thought they were only allowed if the regulator was disconnected. Its ok for aerosols to be pressurized?

mre5765 Jan 5, 2009 6:02 pm

Before 9/11, I once carried some paint (touch up paint for a car) in a small aerosol can (think hobby shop paint cans if those are still sold) in carry on. I assumed the lower pressure in the cabin would cause a leak, and put the paint in a plastic jar and screwed the lid on tight. Sure enough, even though the jar was sealed tight, some paint did leak out of the can (but not the jar).

For checked bags, I would place any aerosols in a zip loc bag, and then inside a clear, shatter resistant jar, and hope that if the TSA does open your luggage, and leaves everything sealed.

JoshMyPickle Dec 12, 2010 5:34 pm

Whipped Lightning?
 

Originally Posted by HSVTSO Dean (Post 11010609)
I had to look this one up, because it's been so long since I went over it. :D

For checked baggage: There is no quantity limit for non-flammable personal items (to include non-flammable aerosols).

If the personal item is flammable, in the form of an aerosol such as hairspray, or a liquid like fingernail polish remover, then the capacity of the container may not exceed 18oz (.5kg) or 16 fl.oz. (470mL).

The total quantity of personal items that would otherwise be classified as hazardous material may not exceed 70oz (2kg) or 68 fl.oz. (2L).

Bumping up an old thread...

How would this rule apply to Whipped Lightning, the infamous ~40-proof alcohol-infused whipped cream? It is an aerosol, most certainly flammable, and could be considered a personal item (for consumption and/or body adornment), so would I be able to pack up to 5 x 375ml bottles into my checked bag?

NB: this is not considered a food item as yet (not regulated by the FDA); in fact, the first listed ingredient is grain neutral spirits and the second is cream...


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