SgtScott31

Maybe I should have been more specific as to the reason for questioning I mentioned in that post (sometime ago, you keep dibs don't you. ). I have asked a couple of photographers to leave who did not have clearance from admin/marketing to be shooting photography. I would think that they could get clearance just as the local media does if they ask.

ND Sol

A little OT, but were these commercial photographers? If not, then what basis do you have to give them the boot?

jonesing

Yes, as a matter of fact, it is.

As DillMan said "I frequently leave my rental car with employees/buddies/my bedmate for them to return" and I've never once been concerned about leaving the car in their care. On several occasions I've rented 3-5 cars at a time--same car company--and have only used one for myself. We have two "official" rental agencies with a 3rd that is used only for long-term rentals (2+ months). Our contracts with all the agencies allow me to permit anyone I designate--coworkers (all 150,000+ of them), family, friends--to drive the car. No need to declare the drivers in advance and no extra insurance fees either, all part of the agreement.

So if Joe Security at BNA wants to see a bit of plastic with a photo of the driver then it's up to whomever is returning my car. But if he wants to make bones about the fact that the driver isn't the person on the rental agreement then what's it his business? Who drives the car is between me, the driver and the rental car company. And now that I think about it, Joe Security is going to get really huffy since there's no rental agreement in the first place! My rental agreement is the little plastic card next to my DL in my wallet.

chollie

I posted a rather long post a few days ago and, among other things, asked why you posted here. I hoped I made it clear in my post that I wasn't being hostile, just genuinely curious because it seemed to me that you didn't feel welcome.

As I think I mentioned, I have a foot in both camps: I have grown up with family in LE, but at the same time, I am just a citizen that sees things from a non-LE perspective. For that reason, I may not always experience things the same way you (or family members) do.

That said, thank you for taking my question in the spirit it was intended and thank you for a reasoned and thoughtful response.

docmonkey

Yes.

FliesWay2Much

In recent years, every rental contract I've had, corporate, federal government, and personal, all permit business colleagues traveling with you and, for personal rentals, eligible spouses and family members to drive a rental car in my name without a special sign-up or additional fee.

Top Tier

The time and place to fight oppression are when and where you confront it. (Or more likely, it confronts you)

Sadly, the airport is currently the place where you are most likely to encounter the kind of oppression we need to fight.

It's really the only place in America where un-American behavior is considered "normal".

ralfp

Can you suggest a place more appropriate than the place where the oppression occurs? A person more appropriate than the agent of the oppression?

Every agent of the US government (and state/local governments) is, or should be, responsible for making sure that his/her actions are Constitutional and legal. If a government agent fails to do this, he/she needs to be confronted on that failure. It's a sad fact that even those sworn to defend the US Constitution would deny that.

jamar

Hmm... I figured that something this had to be the case and thought what peachfront said was a bit odd.

and Wally Bird- I guess I've just been really lucky then- I've never had that kind of trouble taking photos of things in the airport. Although I've never taken pictures of or really done anything in relation to the actual planes, so I'm probably missing something.

Also, up to now I thought that ID at car return was normal. Learn something new every day, I guess.

mkt

Yes. I have also returned another persons car on several occasions.

SgtScott31

I believe you and TopTier know what I am referring to. By actions of anyone at an airport, whether it be contract security, an airline employee, law enforcement, or TSA, it is not the time and place to get into a piss*** match with whomever you are not happy with. The "time and place" is with management, supervision, and/or ultimately a court room. Causing a big disturbance in the middle of an airport because you felt oppressed will land you somewhere you will definitely not want to be.

SgtScott31

Did you not read the airport code regarding photography I posted on pg 5? Folks must have clearance from Airport Authority to shoot photography. It is not intended for Joe Citizen who wants to take pictures of cool shops or airplanes on their way to their flight. It is intended for copyright issues should someone find certain things in BNA that they might want to try and reproduce somewhere else without permission. I would assume that those in the photography/media industry are aware of such infringement issues.

As far as multiple renters with car agencies go, I am not sure as to what actions the contract security take with these cases who come into BNA. We rarely get called to the rental-car return booths. If there was a big issue about corporate-type accounts with multiple drivers, I probably would have heard about it by now. I also learn new things every day.

sbm12

Here is the code, in its entirety:
Tell me where in there it says that a passenger cannot take a photo for personal use? The fact that it explicitly states "for commercial use" limits the scope of the clause quite significantly. Were the people you have asked to leave commercial photographers or just folks out plane spotting? How can you tell the difference? Do I need a big sign that says "I am not a commercial photographer" on my back while in the airport??

As for "time & place" discussions, it is often required that a stink be made at the time of the offending action so as to make the wheels of justice start turning. Otherwise there is no cause to bring a suit because there has been no harm. Yes, the rent-a-cop is just doing what they are told, but that doesn't mean that everyone else should roll over and pretend that we don't have rights while trying to engage a manager who doesn't actually care either.

ralfp

So it's better to make a big piss*** match by involving managers and the courts? This is because those sworn to uphold the Constitution will punish anyone who dares verbally challenge their actions? That's sad (but true).

coachrowsey

It's the same as if stopped for speeding. You honestly do not feel you are guilty. The side of the road is not the place to argue the ticket. That is done in the courts. As I use to tell everyone "signing the summons is not an admission of guilt only your written promise to appear".