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MrAndy1369 Sep 23, 2008 2:20 pm

Which would you pick? Mind-reading+no security, or security-/-mind reading?
 
Here's a difficult question for you guys...

Which would you prefer?

1) A "mind-reading" machine, that reads your mind patterns... but almost no security (you'll be able to bring liquids, etc);

or

2) No "mind-reading" but tight security like now (shoes off, limited liquids, laptops out for the most part, x-ray, body scanners)?

Why do I ask? FOX News claims that:
Quote:

Burns noted his team's goal is to "restore a sense of freedom." Once MALINTENT is rolled out in airports, it could give us a future where we can once again wander onto planes with super-sized cosmetics and all the bottles of water we can carry — and most importantly without that sense of foreboding that has haunted Americans since Sept. 11.
SOURCE

Discuss.
(And, I know there's an active discussion going on already related to this, but at the same time, I thought I would also begin a new thread with the choices given, and see what you prefer. Hope that makes sense.)

Superguy Sep 23, 2008 2:45 pm

I prefer Option 3: No mind reading and no security theater. Of course, I know TSA's not going to give us either of those ... :rolleyes:

n4zhg Sep 23, 2008 3:38 pm

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Originally Posted by superguy (Post 10413649)
i prefer option 3: No mind reading and no security theater. Of course, i know tsa's not going to give us either of those ... :rolleyes:

+1 ^

To this I add: Abolish DHS and return the various agencies to their original chain-of-command. If the government really needs a jobs program, resurrect the CCC and hand idiot sticks out to Hawley and all the TSOs who have demonstrated lack of brain cells.

PTravel Sep 23, 2008 4:09 pm

". . . and most importantly without that sense of foreboding that has haunted Americans since Sept. 11."

What "sense of foreboding"? The only sense of foreboding I experience is dread of the moose and pony show that constitutes TSA's procedures. If I was afraid to fly because of terrorism I wouldn't. Period.

Superguy Sep 23, 2008 5:58 pm

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Originally Posted by n4zhg (Post 10413978)
+1 ^

To this I add: Abolish DHS and return the various agencies to their original chain-of-command. If the government really needs a jobs program, resurrect the CCC and hand idiot sticks out to Hawley and all the TSOs who have demonstrated lack of brain cells.

I'll +1 that.

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Originally Posted by PTravel
What "sense of foreboding"? The only sense of foreboding I experience is dread of the moose and pony show that constitutes TSA's procedures. If I was afraid to fly because of terrorism I wouldn't. Period.

The only forboding feeling I've felt in America is from the current administration reminding us of terrorists and 9/11, subsequently trampling our rights in the process. Bush does a much better job of reminding us about the power of terrorists than Osama himself does. :rolleyes:

100% Green Sep 23, 2008 6:05 pm

or just get rid of the shoe thing and the liquid thing and do the only thing that works - behavior profiling.

Superguy Sep 23, 2008 6:12 pm

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Originally Posted by 100% Green (Post 10414679)
or just get rid of the shoe thing and the liquid thing and do the only thing that works - behavior profiling.

Not how TSA does it. How do you define suspiscious?

Someone suspsicious merit watching? Maybe. Harassing out of an Abundance of Caution®? No way. Not without a damn good reason.

bzbdewd Sep 23, 2008 6:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 10414704)
Not how TSA does it. How do you define suspiscious?

Someone suspsicious merit watching? Maybe. Harassing out of an Abundance of Caution®? No way. Not without a damn good reason.

The fact that something like this would even be considered tells me it is already too late for us.

Superguy Sep 23, 2008 7:15 pm

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Originally Posted by bzbdewd (Post 10414715)
The fact that something like this would even be considered tells me it is already too late for us.

Aye, it is scary.

halls120 Sep 23, 2008 8:25 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superguy (Post 10413649)
I prefer Option 3: No mind reading and no security theater. Of course, I know TSA's not going to give us either of those ... :rolleyes:

^ to the above.

Oh, and a vote for the idea that Burns and the rest of his team should be fired.

MrAndy1369 Sep 23, 2008 8:36 pm

It's scary, yes, but there has been absolutely no mention of this by the TSA, so we don't know yet if TSA supports this technology or not. Plus, I have a feeling this technology will be shot down by the ACLU and SCOTUS as unconstitutional.

Yes, it's sad this is even being considered, but I have a feeling this machine won't find itself to come to fruition.

chollie Sep 23, 2008 8:44 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 10414155)
". . . and most importantly without that sense of foreboding that has haunted Americans since Sept. 11."

What "sense of foreboding"? The only sense of foreboding I experience is dread of the moose and pony show that constitutes TSA's procedures. If I was afraid to fly because of terrorism I wouldn't. Period.


What he said...^^^^^

chollie Sep 23, 2008 8:47 pm

Sadly, the answer will be that we get ALL of it - the current nonsense + the new mind-reading equipment. More layers are better than less layers...and we all know even a broken clock is right twice a day. The more layers we have, the better the chance of TSA stumbling onto something, right?

Tin foil hats will be added to the prohibited items list...

The Supreme Court? THIS Supreme Court? Are you kidding? They'll probably have a detector installed at the entrance to their courtrooms.

spotnik Sep 25, 2008 1:48 am

This stuff concerns me greatly. (No, not just because it may hurt my job security. I know someone's going to make that comment.)

I will reserve specific comment until such time as more specific info on these machines is made public. They could be a real benefit. They could be a major problem. The devil is in the details.

I would love to see some better risk-based allowances in modern security procedures. If this machine can help with that, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Then again, I've read 1984.

n4zhg Sep 25, 2008 8:13 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by spotnik (Post 10422407)
I would love to see some better risk-based allowances in modern security procedures. If this machine can help with that, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Then again, I've read 1984.

I'm surprised George Orwell isn't on the banned book list.


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