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IslandBased Jun 27, 2008 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by DC-COFlyer (Post 9948866)
Which is why I continue to be amazed that no one demands that every single member of the executive branch, traveling with or without a detail, should be required to go through the same security procedure as anyone else. Chertoff, et al - ANYONE flying commercial, members of Congress, etc. should be required to go through the line.

Unless and until government officials have to experience the same thing we do, nothing is going to change. If you're traveling with a detail, then let them show their credentials, but make the elected official, administration official or whatever go through just like the rest of us.

Until that happens, nothing changes.

Many of them fly on private aircraft and probably believe that the security that they face at General Aviation is what commercial travelers are subjected to.

yad Jun 27, 2008 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 9949199)
Many of them fly on private aircraft and probably believe that the security that they face at General Aviation is what commercial travelers are subjected to.

Actually I think most congressmen and senators, and executive branch officials below the rank of cabinet secretaries (and even some of them) fly primarily commercial.

DC-COFlyer Jun 27, 2008 10:31 pm


Originally Posted by IslandBased (Post 9949199)
Many of them fly on private aircraft and probably believe that the security that they face at General Aviation is what commercial travelers are subjected to.

Cabinet members (Secretaries, Dep Secs and some Under Secs) fly on military aircraft. Most members of Congress fly commercial (just go to IAD or DCA on a Monday or a Thursday and watch them coming and going). All other executive branch employees (most White House staff, assistant secretaries, and people like Kip Hawley) fly commercial. But, in many cases, some have security details which exempt them from screening. All I'm saying is that with the exception of cabinet members and certain WH employees, they should ALL go through screening. Make them see what it's like being a peon like the rest of us - and I've been on the non-peon side before so know how it's played.

baglady Jun 27, 2008 11:20 pm


Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 9947302)
Read it again - "Wearing shorts and a blouse, barefoot, she stood spread-eagle while an agent ran her hands over the girl's body."

Of course it never happened. Screeners never deviate from the SOP. The guy simply made the whole thing up. Yes ?

I didn't say the guy made it up - I said the the writer was uninformed saying that a male TSA could screen a female child. The SOP is you are basically spread eagled while you are wanded or pat down - I've had it done dozens of times so I know whats done. Why you would let a child go through barefoot is beyond me, but anyway. I am not saying the person made it up, simply they are uninformed. A male cannot screen a female; a female cannot screen a male - in the US.

Cee Jun 28, 2008 10:22 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 9948248)
Cee, do you honestly believe that it's necessary or appropriate to pat down a child?

Please don't respond with the standard TSA line that terrorists have been know to use children as weapons.

I don't think I have ever responded with the standard TSA line...do you?
Whether I believe it is necessary or appropriate is not the issue here. At the airport, all people get harassed equally.

InPlaneSight Jun 28, 2008 10:58 am


Originally Posted by phedre (Post 9948298)

Back in my retail days, I saw plenty of women caught shoplifting because they'd stuffed a small, expensive item into their baby carrier or down their kid's pants. If adults are going to do something unethical/illegal, they won't hesitate to drag their kids into it.

I was recently on a flight and when we were deplaning, a little girl, about 11 years old, wanted to take a blanket. The mother wrapped the blanket in the girl's sweatshirt, handed it back to her and they got off the plane. I said loudly enough the mother heard, "she's teaching that little girl that it's OK to steal."

LessO2 Jun 28, 2008 11:36 am


Originally Posted by InPlaneSight (Post 9952426)
I was recently on a flight and when we were deplaning, a little girl, about 11 years old, wanted to take a blanket. The mother wrapped the blanket in the girl's sweatshirt, handed it back to her and they got off the plane. I said loudly enough the mother heard, "she's teaching that little girl that it's OK to steal."

Congratulations; you should be proud of yourself. :rolleyes:

InPlaneSight Jun 28, 2008 11:49 am


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 9952556)
Congratulations; you should be proud of yourself. :rolleyes:

I am very proud of myself.^

spleenstomper Jun 28, 2008 11:50 am


Originally Posted by InPlaneSight (Post 9952426)
I was recently on a flight and when we were deplaning, a little girl, about 11 years old, wanted to take a blanket. The mother wrapped the blanket in the girl's sweatshirt, handed it back to her and they got off the plane. I said loudly enough the mother heard, "she's teaching that little girl that it's OK to steal."

Great, you are passive-aggressive. Congratulations. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

InPlaneSight Jun 28, 2008 11:51 am


Originally Posted by spleenstomper (Post 9952597)
Great, you are passive-aggressive. Congratulations. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Passive-aggressive personality disorder (also called negativistic personality disorder) is a personality disorder said to be marked by a pervasive pattern of negative attitudes and passive, usually disavowed resistance in interpersonal or occupational situations.

I acted :D :D :D

LessO2 Jun 28, 2008 11:57 am


Originally Posted by InPlaneSight (Post 9952606)
At least I acted:D

Clarifying how you acted would be a violation of the TOS.

InPlaneSight Jun 28, 2008 12:00 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 9952623)
Clarifying how you acted would be a violation of the TOS.

Oh, I get it now. You are trying to elevate your low self-esteem by putting others down. That's OK. You may continue your therapy at my expense. :-:

BTW, Are your other 4,532 posts as worthless as your last two?

pinkcat Jun 28, 2008 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by coachrowsey (Post 9947552)
This is so so wrong & on the side I've seen children in tears thanks to TSA non sense.

yes, mine included, they took him off to a side room and intimidated him without asking me if it was ok to touch my child, they didnt believe he was 12 like it said on his passport,

onlyairfare Jun 28, 2008 10:07 pm

In smaller airports, there are sometimes not enough screeners to insure that both genders are represented. Then, females will be patted down by males, and vice versa. Or else, it's DY...T? I have seen this happen to young children, though not UMs as young as the case cited.

KTW Jun 28, 2008 11:27 pm

They are obviously joking about the blanket comment. Noone would be goofball enough to actually say that about a little girl needing a blanket.Common sense people......As far as the male-male and female-female. I have seen the reverse too many times to count at many airports, here and abroad. :cool:


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