Elimination of no ID?
 

Can someone high-up verify this, or find out why the TSA is not informing travelers or airlines?

A piece of an email floating around, not SSI:

"...(retracted TSA) reported that beginning May 23, 2008, the Ticket Document Checkers (TDCs) will be using new procedures for travelers that do not present acceptable government issued photo ID at the passenger screening checkpoint (PSC). (retracted TSA) reported that the implementation of these ID requirements is a portion of a larger change that will be coming later on. TSA reported that they have accelerated this portion of the standard operating procedure (SOP) change to further the Department of Homeland Security's efforts toward meeting REAL ID.

Under the new procedures, travelers will be required to show a form of government issued photo ID which will be verified by TSA TDCs using "loops and lights." If the traveler does not have acceptable ID, the TCD will accept two other forms of ID (TSA did not indicate what kind). If the traveler cannot produce any identifying information whatsoever, TDCs will summon a TSA Supervisor or Behavior Detection Officer (BDO) who will conduct a short interview with the traveler. If the TSA (BDO or Supervisor TSO) cannot verify the individual's identity, TSA will summon airport LEOs to assist. If the airport LEO can not assist in verifying the individual's identity, the individual will be denied access to the sterile area."

Unbelievable.

Not as dire as worded.

There are loads of threads in this forum discussing issues related to the push for Real ID compliance. (And I'm sure others will point you to them long before I get back from class to do so. :))

I have seen those and understand, my job pretty much guarantees it. However, the posted verbiage was from an email quote based on a TSA conference call just this week, with an implementation date of tomorrow.

Just looking for anyone else with the same info.

Exactly as dire as worded and more dire for the "larger change that will be coming later on" . And yep, this one rings true. IMHO, it seems likely that this would be one of the intended end games of ID checking. IMO, bureaucratic < zeros who believe ID = security are likely to desparately want to raise the stakes for those effectively thumbing their noses at that concept by refusing to show a TS "officer" :rolleyes: their ID.
Welcome to a country of internal travel documents and police permission to fly. All this is happening with court assistance/compliance, while our politicians are refusing to help stop a complete removal of the right/expectation to be left alone while engaging in completely legal pursuits.
Personally, I hope this and the larger change go through. The personal interest news stories of purse/wallet theft victims who have lost all ID having that injustice compounded as they're stranded by a TSA supervisor, backed up by the airport Barney Fife (believe me, IME the cream of the local PD is not often assigned airport duty) may be enough of a body shock to the general public to cause more average Joe's to start to ask just W T F is going on here. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Moe or Curley or Kippy: can you explain?
 

This HAS to be a real gubbamint written memo. See if you can read this slowly without the desire to bang your head against the nearest wall:

"If the traveler does not have acceptable ID, the TCD will accept two other forms of ID "

If you accept two unacceptable IDs, does not that act make them: acceptable IDs?

2 + 2 = 5, and 2 unacceptable ID = 1 acceptable ID

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I haven't heard a thing about this...

Well, maybe there's hope, but often, in TSA's brief but bleak history, the front line drones are the last to be informed. :(

More like insouciance.

"loops and lights"

Could they at least bother to spell the names of the tools correctly. :mad:

It is a loupe.

As for the ID thing, I think that this sad but not surprising. We all knew that this was where they wanted to go eventually. And I'm not completely convinced that the case would ever make it to the Supreme Court, or that they'd actually respect the Constitution.

I like MS-Word thesaurus; indifference; disinterest; detachment; casualness

Even better would be to call them by their technical name.

Sorry, but I call BS on this.

1) Not all airports have BDO's.
2) ID is not required to fly. If you don't have ID, you just get a SSSS.
3) Domestic travel is where you should be allowed to fly anonymously without government intrusion.

Why May 23? When the new ID implementation will be on May 28?

Sorry - I really believe TSA is capable of doing this, but I doubt they would do this... who you are doesn't matter as long as you get through security without weapons. It's not TSA's business.

I've read the same information on another board. If the policy is implemented as described no ID will lead to LEO being called who might have the legal right to demand ID.

AFAIK every state has been given a real ID extension, even if they didn't officially ask for one.

Why would the LEO have the legal right to demand ID? Even in "stop and identify states", an oral statement is all that is required and the LEO must suspect that a crime has, is or is about to occur to even require the person to identify himself. That would be the crux of Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada.