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Originally Posted by knotyeagle
(Post 9531914)
He says that after explaining it wasn't personal, he told the supervisor that screeners were going to make him late for the plane by using "Nazi-style, police-state tactics."
The supervisor, a Florida National Guard member and Iraq war vet, blew up. "I don't have to listen to your s---- and being called a Nazi," |
Originally Posted by knotyeagle
(Post 9531914)
Two officers detailed to watch for suspicious behavior decided Derrick was a "heightened concern individual," said TSA spokesman Christopher White.
Originally Posted by knotyeagle
(Post 9531914)
Sorry Cee, this is the agency that you choose to work for. And every passenger you deal with, 50% of the time recently dealt with another TSA screener a lot less professional of their mission limits than you know.
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Originally Posted by knotyeagle
(Post 9531914)
Sure did not happen that way. What do you think this woman's opinion of the TSA at Tampa (or TSA overall)? Amazing how many people can find out about an incident like that or the most recent one at Tampa where using the words "Nazi-like" means the screener can give an extra secondary so that you miss your flight.
http://www.sptimes.com/2008/02/06/Bu..._to_Nazi.shtml [Last modified February 6, 2008, 11:56:07] Sorry Cee, this is the agency that you choose to work for. And every passenger you deal with, 50% of the time recently dealt with another TSA screener a lot less professional of their mission limits than you know. Derrick was very late for his flight to Detroit. He checked in 38 minutes before the scheduled departure and found a long, snaking line to the security checkpoint at Airside A. Derrick asked a line attendant if he could move ahead of others. She ignored him. At the X-ray machine, he placed his laptop inside its case on the belt and went through the metal detector. An officer informed him the computer and case had to go through again separately. That's when Derrick, frustrated and anxious, made his unfortunate vent. 2) he was mad for not being given special treatment that TSOs rarely, if ever, give, ie, moving to the front of the line. i have seen it done when an airline employee requests it on behalf of a passenger (presumably UA GS or something). 3) his fault for not removing his laptop from the bag and blowing up at the TSO for doing his job. seriously, if he's ever flown in the last 7 years, he should know better. my take? Derrick started the whole thing. the TSO wrongly escalated it. they're both to blame, although I put more onus on the passenger. on topic: The baby water thing has been hit or miss for us. In just one instance (at CMH), it was taken away, even after explaining that it was not regular water, but special nursery water made specifically for infants. it was even in separate containers for mixing formula. no go. everywhere else, it was fine once declared. |
Back to OP, was this a surprise? It has been standard TSA policy since the London incident some time ago.
Unfortunately it is true - however you do have another option. You can bring bottles or cans of sealed premixed infamil. We had no trouble bringing on sufficient quantities. It is kept at room temperature and will not spoil. I agree that the water ban is idiotic. But, to use an inappropriate metaphor, they don't want to toss out the baby with the bathwater. |
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Originally Posted by stinky123
(Post 9517575)
So next time, purchase ready-to-serve infant formula in bottles. I do know that they make such a thing, and even though it is more expensive, at least you know it is clean.
Originally Posted by alexbellamy
(Post 9524232)
Whilst I agree the liquid ban is a real PITA, technically water is water not baby food and water is banned. Everywhere. There seem to be some really OTT reactions on this board! The guys were just doing their jobs, the same way I do mine and you do yours. I bet all of us can seem to be a 'bullying PITA' sometimes.
Originally Posted by CLELOSER
(Post 9528309)
"It would not have been insubordination for the TSOs to follow the existing policy which exempts liquids for baby food and let the parent through with the non-chilled water."
If water is in a water bottle, how exactly do we determine who the water is for?? If its already mixed in the formula, its probably NOT for the adults. "Instead, the OP was politely and graciously bullied by two power-tripping TSOs who violated their own SOP, which does allow liquids in this case." AGAIN WRONG. The SOP was correctly followed. "There's always going to be some discretion/leeway in policies in any organization. One of the many major problems with TSA is that they have been told to err on the side of paranoia instead of on the side of the passenger, the vast majority of which are not terrorists. I'm not talking about anything insane here " TSA is very top-down oriented. They do NOT want TSO's to have discretion to make decisions. Of course if it was up to me 4 inch scissors wouldn't be allowed unless there is was a legitimate reason to have them. " This woman has a baby, powdered formula, (presumably sealed) bottled water, and a reasonable explanation as to why she needs it. There is an explicit exception in the rules for baby formulas and other liquids for babies. Woman (and baby) are not otherwise engaging in suspicious behavior, not triggering SPOTters, etc. Do we a) assume the factory-sealed non-leaking water bottle is an explosive and confiscate it (but then throw it in the bin next to our checkpoint)?, or b) ETD the bottle and after the negative ETD test allow the woman to proceed with her baby and the components of formula?" If we allowed water for her, we would have to allow it for everyone. That would mean all TSOs would be doing is ETDing water. "Of course, TSO chooses a). Another example of this failure to err on the side of the passenger and failure to use logic was the detention and referral for arrest of the special-ed teacher carrying a leather bookmark. Stopping and thinking for a heartbeat would have prevented that scenario. Same with the nipple ring incident. And the amputee who was told to remove his leg but refused a chair. Instead, we get bullies and power trippers." That's your interpretation of TSO's following the rules as given to them. Only once have we had a TSO try and say that the bottle of NURSERY WATER we were trying to bring through PHX wasn't permitted. I asked him to rethink his course of action and he called over a 2-striper who was about to parrot the same thing until I cut him off and demanded their FULL names. He started to yammer something about not having a complaint form but I cut him off again and informed him this was beyond complaints, that we were now in the area of "criminal charges for child endangerment and neglect" (said in a too-loud to be polite voice) "That's why I'm going to go get that cop over there...to file a police report!" It was at that point a female TSO (3-stripes) came over, asked what the rukus was about and then let us go when she saw the baby. Now that I think back, that was our second encounter. The first was at SNA when MrsJ nearly took the head off a TSO who said she couldn't bring the small carton of milk or the blue ice brick airside. Luckily, again, a female TSO was present and noticed that I was carrying our then 15-month old son through the WTMD. Someone in a hurry slipped in ahead of us and the original TSO didn't see me with the baby...although c'mon, she had a friggin' diaper bag filled with all manner of baby food etc.
Originally Posted by schwarm
(Post 9530249)
Report on the return flight:
We had decided to bring no water and simply purchase airside, but we arrived at the airport with a pair of bottles of (regular) water. So, we decided to fill each of our 3 baby bottles with water. No problem going through security. So, water in the baby bottles (accompanied by powdered formula and baby) seemed to be OK. Water in the original sealed water bottles (accompanied by empty baby bottles, powdered formula, and baby) was not. Go figure. We've found a solution for the milk as well. No need for ice bricks any more, we found a few places that carry room temp stable milk! Brought some back through ONT a couple months ago with no problem. Actually, my diaper bag was loaded with milk, bottles pre-filled with water and one extra sealed bottle of water and got nary a peep. But her diaper bag with two bottles of infant Tylenol and Advil got the full monty. Go figure. |
Thanks for all the suggestions in the above posts. No need to go through each one, but I will say that in every case the proposed solution would not be appropriate for us.
Originally Posted by jonesing
(Post 9534497)
We've found a solution for the milk as well. No need for ice bricks any more, we found a few places that carry room temp stable milk! Brought some back through ONT a couple months ago with no problem. Actually, my diaper bag was loaded with milk, bottles pre-filled with water and one extra sealed bottle of water and got nary a peep. But her diaper bag with two bottles of infant Tylenol and Advil got the full monty. Go figure.
Once again, no significant harm was done here. I don't want to be put in the same category as people who have been truly abused by the TSA. I'm just a bit freaked out by the possiblility of having water confiscated after a very long wait in security (even if having arrived early) leading to no time to purchase water airside. I'll brave the water on the airplane, but I don't want my baby to have to do so. |
You are not alone
A very good friend of mine and her 2-yr-old girl had the same experience schwarm had at the security checkpoint before their flight from LA to Taiwan yesterday.
One difference: This security agent was very pushy about taking the water for the baby formula away. This experience is now one of my friend's most memorable moments of their 3-week US trip. I think it's safe to say that these TSA agents and regulations are a big reason why some foreign visitors dislike Americans. Security checkpoint experiences like this one is something they take back to their home country and talk to their family and friends about. What a last and lasting impression to give to foreign visitors- nothing the TSA should pat themselves on the back about. If enough people voice the complaint, hopefully the TSA will implement more civil regulations, like this new thing regarding bringing breast milk http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...n/formula.shtm it would be too late but better than nothing |
Why wouldn't airports have water suitable for finicky parents available airside?
It's not going to spoil or anything. |
Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget
(Post 9938672)
Why wouldn't airports have water suitable for finicky parents available airside?
It's not going to spoil or anything. |
Originally Posted by birdstrike
(Post 9938750)
Because the water carnival is pointless?
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Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget
(Post 9938779)
That aside, the vendor monopolies should have some understanding of what parents deal with and give them a solution.
I wonder if this could be used to mount another type of legal challenge against the TSA? Hmmm. |
Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget
(Post 9938672)
Why wouldn't airports have water suitable for finicky parents available airside?
It's not going to spoil or anything. like another poster has said because the restriction is pointless. Then again you probably dont understand that there are people out there that are extremely sensitive to the chemicals used to treat water and can cause massive problems. IE a baby doesnt have a fully developed immune system till like age 2. trust me you dont want to smell the diapers coming of a kid with a stomach bug on the ground let alone in a aluminum tube with very little air circulating. I have been there and burned my nose out and certainly dont want to have to repeat that because we almost went down the road with the back ambulance doors open because of the smell, because we couldnt get enough airflow through the box. To the poster that mentioned filing a police report for CE&N kudos to you and ^^, because thats exactly what TSA was doing and I dont think TSA legal eagles would back that one up if it went to court as causing willful harm to a baby doesnt look good. |
I knew TSA does not have simply problems with TSO is taking away the baby formula. It's absolutely is no reasons from TSO doesn't understandably from ladies & along her 2-year old daughter. It does not have a proper liquid explosives at all. I feels confidence about TSA. In the future if you want to do purchasable in the sterile area. If TSA will eventually changes the policy in the future. Meanwhile just enjoyed your flight to TPE. You should have more convenient where you need bring your own baby formula next time if you fly out from entire airports.
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Originally Posted by birdstrike
(Post 9938838)
That would be un-American. Retailers can charge whatever they want. It is the TSA alone that creates this monopoly by banning off-airport water.
I wonder if this could be used to mount another type of legal challenge against the TSA? Hmmm. The way contracts for retail space are set up in airports are horrendous for consumers. |
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