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law dawg Mar 23, 2008 10:48 am


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 9450044)
Nor am I. My concern is that TSO has blocked all attempts to suggest to the OP on the TSA blog to consider contacting the proper Police Agency for that jurisdiction if he thought the actions of the screener were of a questionable nature.

TSA has for some reason not permitted my response. I have not violated in any way their posting rules.

The TSO may not have done anything yet TSA seems to be attempting to control communications that might cause embarassement for the agency.

I see the action of TSA Blog Operators as interfering with the timely report of a possible crime. Could this also be collusion in the commission of a crime?
If the TSO actions were found to be improper in a court could not the Blog Operators be charged with a felony?

A blog entry is not the reporting of a crime. It's a blog entry. A report of a crime is more substantive. It involves face-to-face contact. One has to swear that their complaint is true and correct and acknowledge that there are penalties for lying. That sort of thing.

Anyone can write anything on a blog.

GadgetFreak Mar 23, 2008 10:50 am


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 9451912)
A blog entry is not the reporting of a crime. It's a blog entry. A report of a crime is more substantive. It involves face-to-face contact. One has to swear that their complaint is true and correct and acknowledge that there are penalties for lying. That sort of thing.

Anyone can write anything on a blog.

Hence my previous comment. And I should add, anytime we agree on something it almost has to be correct. :)

law dawg Mar 23, 2008 10:51 am


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 9449967)
I don't think enough detail will ever come out on this for even the FT jury to weigh in on.

However, I agree that if the poster's girlfriend's child appeared to be molested, then LE should be called in. The TSA should not object to that course of action being posted on their blog. IMHO it would give them more credibility.

Law dawg, I don't think a LE patdown could be considered "groping" as the term is usually understood.

Not to say that groping could not occur under guise of patdown.

If it's done right it is, my friend.

A real patdown will involve hand-to-genitalia contact. Weapons are hidden everywhere, not just approved places. :)

If I walked up to someone on the street and started feeling all parts of their body, that's assault if it's not done with their permission. If it's a child, then we go that direction. What allows a TSO or LEO or whatever to get away with it is need in performance of their duties.

law dawg Mar 23, 2008 10:54 am


Originally Posted by GadgetFreak (Post 9451926)
Hence my previous comment. And I should add, anytime we agree on something it almost has to be correct. :)

:D

I hadn't gotten to it as I was taking them in order. But now I have and -

Oh. My. God. :eek:

What more can be said. ;)

purpleskiesfly Mar 23, 2008 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by birdstrike (Post 9449967)
I don't think enough detail will ever come out on this for even the FT jury to weigh in on.

Oh but they will! They're all SME's in this area. :rolleyes: (wondering how many pages this will roll on to)

Anytime you get onto a moderated message board, blog, etc., you're subject to the rules of the powers that be and while not 'reasonable', it's their playground so if you don't like the rules, even the unwritten ones, don't play.

I don't agree with the 'open' premise of the TSAs blog, but I will agree with their right to filter what they want from the content, albeit to make themselves look better.

Write your congressman/senator or even meet with them. Seriously doubt they'll do anything but if the only action one takes is venting here, you're not getting anywhere.

red456 Mar 23, 2008 1:21 pm

A comment on Duane's post re his daughter's patdown has finally been published, with the advice that he contact the police.

Having basically given up flying because of the TSA and therefore not getting to see for myself what goes on at checkpoints as much as I used to, I'm getting the idea that pat downs are becoming more "thorough", i.e., rather than just patting down the legs from mid-thigh down, it sounds as if the TSA might be leaning towards a more LE-like procedure; women's breasts might actually be getting squeezed; the palms of the hands being used rather than the back of the hand. I thought that you only got patted down if the HHMD beeped - but it's sounding to me as if everyone needing a secondary is getting a pat down. What other reason could there possibly be for touching a child in such a manner?

(I agree with doober who suggested that parents teach their kids to scream if they are touched by a screener. Get the attention of everybody in line as to what is happening to our children in airports.)

The TSA website says that a person who accompanies someone with "hidden disabilities" can be with that person during the secondary search:


# Family members or traveling companions can offer suggestions to Security Officers on the best way to approach and deal with the person with a hidden disability, especially when it is necessary to touch the person during a pat-down inspection.


# Family member or traveling companions can stay with the person during a public or private screening; however, they may be required to be rescreened if they provide assistance to the person.
It certainly seems to me that this should be SOP when it is required to pat down a minor child.


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