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Cee Mar 4, 2008 9:15 am


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 9354941)
I'd guess that some of the more stupid stuff goes away, like the liquid nonsense. That could be touted as easing our pain, with recognition that the liquid nonsense didn't add much to the process.

I can only hope! I would love to see the liquid stuff go away, but I can't see them doing it unless they have another way to check liquids. Since they determined it to be such a threat, they would prove their stupidity to just lift the restrictions completely. I have heard that they have new machines to check bottles, but I haven't seen 'em.


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 9355013)
Does anyone NOT think that 'updated screening procedures' will translate into anything less than more suffering and hell for US at the airport checkpoint?

:rolleyes:


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 9354575)
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Maybe, just maybe, they (Chertoff AND Hawley) took the feedback in the blog and took it to heart. Or they were persuaded by others to do the "review."

Regardless, it's a start.

I hope that's the case. There has been a lot of good arguments on the blog, and if they are actually paying attention to them, it could be beneficial. However, in the aritcle Chertoff mentioned that there are "new high powered x-rays" installed at airports...I haven't seen any of those, either.

FWAAA Mar 4, 2008 9:45 am

These two worthless pieces of garbage (Skeletor and Hawley) have presided over the most ridiculous lies ever told the people: that a half-litre bottle of water or soda or any other liquid is so potentially dangerous that it must be confiscated by government "officers." Thousands of former military and police mistreating the flying public for a year and a half since the war on moisture nonsense commenced.

And that's on top of the ridiculous war on sharp and pointy objects the TSA has been fighting for over six years.

Perhaps this worthless piece of filth has had a revelation.

LessO2 Mar 4, 2008 10:11 am


Originally Posted by FWAAA (Post 9355363)
These two worthless pieces of garbage (Skeletor and Hawley) have presided over the most ridiculous lies ever told the people

(snip)

Perhaps this worthless piece of filth has had a revelation.

Spiff...is that you? :D

doober Mar 4, 2008 10:23 am


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 9355505)
Spiff...is that you? :D

I had the same thought! :D

Global_Hi_Flyer Mar 4, 2008 11:14 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 9355013)
Skeletor doesn't have a chance in hell of getting anything job-wise from a Democratic Administration, except maybe cleaning toilets in the Executive Office Building.

What is he posturing for?

Suppose, for a minute, that Hillary wins the D nomination. I'd place money on McCain beating Hillary in the election. Obama stands a much better chance against McCain.

In a Republican administration, Chertoff stands a much better chance of staying on.

Even if not, if he can claim he "reformed" the agency, then he positions himself for something better than "lobbyist" when he leaves the Federal dole.


Does anyone NOT think that 'updated screening procedures' will translate into anything less than more suffering and hell for US at the airport checkpoint?
Truthfully? I see this the same way I see announcements of "enhancements" in Frequent Flyer programs. In other words, "BOHICA"*

*Bend Over Here It Comes Again.

donsig Mar 4, 2008 11:25 am


"Bono and Bill Gates would be prevented from smuggling a nuke into the U.S., but a terrorist with a nuke in a Gulfstream who takes off from a remote airfield in Africa or Latin America … would have no problem getting it to D.C.," he said. "Let's just hope the terrorists fly out of (London's) Heathrow."
....Why fly out of LHR?....you can get a Mexican to carry it in for ya for $20...or ship it by Juan's NAFTA Trucking Co. directly to D.C........

TSA-Smoking Out the Tewowists with Confusion and Dope.

Richelieu Mar 4, 2008 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by Cee (Post 9355200)
I can only hope! I would love to see the liquid stuff go away, but I can't see them doing it unless they have another way to check liquids. Since they determined it to be such a threat, they would prove their stupidity to just lift the restrictions completely. I have heard that they have new machines to check bottles, but I haven't seen 'em.

Especially after having been a strong proponent of the ICAO-wide liquid ban, I can't imagine they would just show up saying: well, we were wrong, we'll drop the liquid ban but thank you guys for accepting this policy...

Boraxo Mar 4, 2008 5:24 pm

I posted my suggestion at USA Today and I encourage others to do the same.

Chertoff probably does not read FT but I can assure you that he has an aide (as every agency does) that reads and summarizes major news stories like the USA Today story.

law dawg Mar 5, 2008 3:10 pm

I have to say, I'm amazed. Long has this board clamored for a review of TSA screening procedures. Who cares why they are reviewing them. The fact is they are. I'd think it would be a window of opportunity. But not to read it here.....

Spiff Mar 5, 2008 3:22 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 9363132)
I have to say, I'm amazed. Long has this board clamored for a review of TSA screening procedures. Who cares why they are reviewing them. The fact is they are. I'd think it would be a window of opportunity. But not to read it here.....

Comrade Chertoff is, shall we say, "less than trustworthy".*

If Congress had said that there was going to be a review of TSA Harassment, then I think you'd see a much different and positive response from the participants on this website. I know I'd be elated. However, Skeletor's announcement does nothing for me other than arouse even more contempt.

*Translation: a lying sack of crap.

essxjay Mar 5, 2008 3:34 pm


Originally Posted by Skeletor in USAToday
Chertoff declined to specify potential changes in the screening process. "I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to do yet because I don't know if I'm going to do it," he said.

Make that "bloody lying sack of crap," Spiff. Skeletor hasn't a clue what to do let alone if he's going to do it yet. @:-)

doober Mar 5, 2008 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 9363132)
I have to say, I'm amazed. Long has this board clamored for a review of TSA screening procedures. Who cares why they are reviewing them. The fact is they are. I'd think it would be a window of opportunity. But not to read it here.....

Philosophically, I tend to agree with you, law dawg, but Skeletor's tone is so fr***ing arrogant that it's hard to take seriously anything he says.

goalie Mar 5, 2008 5:09 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 9354575)
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Maybe, just maybe, they (Chertoff AND Hawley) took the feedback in the blog and took it to heart. Or they were persuaded by others to do the "review."

Regardless, it's a start.

it's fluff to keep the pols and kettles happy-remember, "well, if it's for security, then i'm all for it and will feel much safer when it's in place". until the tsa can get it right and simply put, that means standardizing procedures at each and every checkpoint and being held accountable for deviations/violations it will never fly (pun intended :))


Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer (Post 9354761)
Reminder: election coming up, and party in executive power is girding for a real battle. This is a classic party-in-power move to try and gain political benefit.

IMHO (inside the beltway).

bingo (and he's hoping mccain wins)


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 9354901)
The chances of that disgusting piece of Communist filth named Chertoff reducing travelers' harassment in any meaningful way is approximately zero.

He's an arrogant piece of human garbage.

as always, Spiff, you are way too kind


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 9355013)
Skeletor doesn't have a chance in hell of getting anything job-wise from a Democratic Administration, except maybe cleaning toilets in the Executive Office Building.

What is he posturing for? He is unemployed in a few months (and not a moment too soon), and will likely end up working as a Professor teaching a class on the benefits of Totalitarian Police States or writing for a fascist neo-con 'think tank' while licking Ann Coulter's toes. Why does he care about his failed screening procedures now?

Does anyone NOT think that 'updated screening procedures' will translate into anything less than more suffering and hell for US at the airport checkpoint?

if the dem's win, don't let the door hit you on the way out and yes, the tfs tsa will find a way to screw up the new screening procedures and in fact make our life more miserable at the airport than it already is now

Global_Hi_Flyer Mar 6, 2008 7:04 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 9363782)
it's fluff to keep the pols and kettles happy-remember, "well, if it's for security, then i'm all for it and will feel much safer when it's in place". until the tsa can get it right and simply put, that means standardizing procedures at each and every checkpoint and being held accountable for deviations/violations it will never fly (pun intended :))

But WAIT! There's MORE!

Despite all the PR


"The only conclusion I can reach is that the SBINET solicitation is a public relations document," Sabo said in his letter. "It provides the Administration with the cover to say that you are doing something to secure the borders."
PR which is intended to convince the American Public that they need to blindly trust DHS, a former DHS official (Jackson) is now blaming the public:


Michael P. Jackson, deputy secretary from 2005 until October 2007, said Americans must learn to allow DHS to balance risks against resources, whether in controlling the border, securing inbound sea cargo or tightening airport security.

"People keep demanding with each new homeland security challenge, 'Fix this today,' " Jackson said. "DHS is not funded to address every one, there's not time to do every one, and some of the increased effort needed to eliminate all risk for a given problem ends up . . . wasting time, focus and dollars."
Very classic inside-the-beltway-out-of-touch-with-the-citizens approach to a problem. And a very classic move to allow bureaucrats to gain power over the people by claiming that the people want it. "We're from the government, we're here to help you...." or "trust us" said with a toothy grin....

I see no real way to rid ourselves of the scourge.

Both quotes from this article in today's Washington Post.


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