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Alien Flight School Program: "9/11 Redux?" Some of you may have seen a piece on ABC’s World News Tonight last night about foreign student pilots training in the U.S. and alleged holes in the system that allow these individuals to take flying lessons without being checked. The memory of 9/11 was evoked and the name Mohammed Atta even made it into the piece. Words like “TSA’s enforcement is basically nonexistent,” “Flight schools want the money to teach ‘em…then they just slip through the cracks,” and “What happened in 9/11 (sic) we don’t want to happen again…so something has to be done.” were all uttered by a former FAA inspector Bill McNease in the piece. Well, something has been done, is being done and will continue to be done. Here are the real facts behind the headlines: Former safety expert McNeese estimated that about 8,000 foreigners with FAA certificates were not initially checked under the Alien Flight School Program. After conducting an analysis the actual number is 857, not the estimated 8,000. These 857 individuals held certificates prior to 9/11. In 2006, all 857 were checked and not a single person posed a threat to national security. Today, TSA checks EVERY foreign national that applies for flight training in this country or at FAA-certified facilities anywhere in the world. Flight schools are required to submit this application to TSA before training begins and our sister agency, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement checks individuals in the U.S.to make sure these students are here legally and properly. In addition to ICE’s enforcement of immigration law, TSA inspectors have conducted 8,000 regulatory compliance inspections since 2005 to make sure flight schools, aren’t “…gonna teach them how to fly and get their ratings and then they slip through the cracks.” as the former safety inspector said. In addition to all this checking of student pilots, we also know of the threat of already certified individuals. To address that threat we: Check 800,000 people with active FAA pilot certificates against terror watch lists every single day of the year. That way if an individual is deemed to pose a threat to aviation by a law enforcement or intelligence organization, they will not be allowed to fly into, out of or over the U.S. Check all master crew lists (that’s cockpit crew, pilot, co-pilot, flight engineer) against terror watch lists to make sure the people flying commercial airliners don’t pose a threat. So, while thoughts of Atta flying around Florida pre-9/11 and former experts saying it’s still happening are great for ratings, the TSA and our DHS partners are actively working to make sure that foreign flight students are getting the attention they deserve from us. |
All this reliance on watch lists. :rolleyes: We know how reliable they are... :rolleyes:
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The DHS-TSA's Division of (Mis)Information back to its old games.
DHS-TSA is very slow at doing many things but the one thing they are quick at doing is to engage in CYA after yet again being exposed as a flop. |
so who's right? the media who says 8000 or the TSA who says 857 ?
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Originally Posted by muddy
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so who's right? the media who says 8000 or the TSA who says 857 ?
So, in summary, we're fighting the last battle with inherently flawed data. Outstanding. |
This appears to be the story the TSA is refuting:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4353991&page=1 |
Originally Posted by muddy
(Post 9330542)
so who's right? the media who says 8000 or the TSA who says 857 ?
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Originally Posted by muddy
(Post 9330542)
so who's right? the media who says 8000 or the TSA who says 857 ?
8,000 foreigners with FAA certificates were not initially checked under the Alien Flight School Program. ... TSA inspectors have conducted 8,000 regulatory compliance inspections since 2005 |
From what I understand "compliance inspections" = harassment of flight instructors and schools. If an instructor can't show a photocopy of an citizenship document (passport/birth certificate) (even though there is an exception for individual instructors allowing logbook entries in lieu of photocopy records), the instructor is gigged.
And, as for continued vetting, anyone else remember this story? In the end, the pilot won. And it's only going to get worse with the TWIC program for port workers.... Welcome to February TV sweeps and the desire to whip up the sheep. |
and it's on the tsa "mythbusters" web page
http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbust...ht_school.shtm how hard up can the tsa really be? even if it's in a paper bag, it's still gonna have the same bad smell as if it was "left" on the sidewalk. :rolleyes: |
Well lets see if this makes it into the blog, but i just put this comment in
Is the same watchlist being used to monitor pilots that travelers with similar names or aliases to suspects on the watchlist but not birthdates, ages, SSN, places of birth have to jump through hoops to even travel. Then these innocent people have to use the media and/or contact there congressperson to get there name off the list because the process that DHS/TSA/CIA/NSA,etc doesnt work to get them off the list. perfect examples would Retired Major General Vernon Lewis, Jr http://www.9news.com/news/printartic...?storyid=80962 Babies,infants, young children on no fly list http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10725741 Then if these people are so dangerous why arent thye arrested and charged with a crime before they ever even get to the airport. If they arent dangerous they should be able to travel without having to prove there not a threat and have there name removed without jumping through hhoops. A little bit of risk assesment and threat analysis would go a long way to keeping innocent people from being caught in a net that has been cast very far and wide. |
These checks are not being performed well by the DHS-TSA, but even if they were it's not DHS-TSA that's failed, it's DHS management and/or the State Department that have failed. A terrorist doesn't need to go to flight school in the US to commit mass murder. They could just as well learn to fly in another country overseas and then come to the US anyway and do much the same -- whether muder related to aviation or murderous acts somewhere else -- without DHS-TSA being any the wiser for it quite often until it is too late.
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I think it's funny that TSA hasn't noticed (or commented on) the fact that several posters on there use the names of people on the no fly list or are famous convicted spies.
They are getting good respect on the blog though. :D |
What kind of benefit can possibly be gained for collecting data on flight trainees in the US. Is TSA really thinking there is no flight instructor in Europe, Asia, Canada, Mexico, South America and Africa?
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Irrational paranoia at its finest. I'll wager that every last foreign student studying flying in the US just that - a student pilot period.
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